Timbersaw

Timbersaw #95 25 + 3.5 16 + 1.6 23 + 2.7
	+20HP and +0.1HP regeneration/point.; +1 main attack damage/point.
	+0.17 armor and 1 attack speed/point.
	+12MP and +0.05MP regeneration/point.
	Release Date: 2012-12-13
L0	Base Hero Values
L1	⤷ + Base Attributes
L15	⤷ + Attribute Gain
L25	⤷ + 6 levels of Attribute Bonus
L30	⤷ + 7 levels of Attribute Bonus
	All values shown are without talent bonuses.

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Chops through the forest to face his foes.
Timbersaw had a good cause to be paranoid. Augury Bay fell to the walking trees, its inhabitants crushed under branch and bough. But that was the past. His new Saw-suit changed everything. Its long Timber Chain shot out, grasping the nearest trunk and pulling the suit towards it. In an instant, a dozen trees fell in a circle to the oversized saw. "Whirling Death, I'll call it!" But that was not all. A press of the button, and the bladed Chakram flew into the forest, cutting down even the sturdiest of hardwoods. Delirious with success, Rizzrack pulled up a Second Chakram and a Flamethrower, spinning and spewing in all directions, cackling until all that remained was a field of naked burned stumps. Now, he was ready to face his fears.

Roles:	Nuker Durable Escape
Complexity:

Bio[]

Rizzrack, the Timbersaw

▶️ "I'm not a lumberjack. This. This is personal."

Lore:

Rizzrack could still hear the screams in his mind. He worked, frantically turning wrenches, twisting screws, building and carving and forging. Sleep eluded him; he only built. Months had passed since he had shut himself in his uncle's workshop, and his deliverance was nearly complete. He rubbed his back as his eyes drifted shut, and saw a blanket of flowers floating on the placid waves of Augury Bay before exploding into a cloud of pollen that silenced lives as it seized the lungs. He woke with a choking start. For hours the rhythmic sound of a whetstone filled the shop as he sharpened a set of massive blades, his mind filled with images of strangling vines garroting neighbors, enwrapping homes. The flooding of Augury Bay had been nothing compared to the violent horrors the waters left to take root beyond the city walls.

But the saw-suit would make him strong and safe he thought, allowing himself this sliver of hope before the full might of his fear crashed into his fading mind. Branches and bark and blood. When the city fell, Rizzrack fled trees that walked, and fought, and killed. Trees had shattered the gates and swarmed into the city. Trees had crushed and thrashed and stomped the last that Augury Bay could muster in defense, and stalked the few fleeing refugees. In addled silence Rizzrack unspooled the thick chain from the suit's arm, his hands quaking as he inspected each link and ran a trembling finger along the claw attached at its end. The saw-suit was ready.

With his hand trembling he sparked the bladed machine to life. Terror drove him, terror of what awaited him and of what he would have to face to have any hope of calming his mind. As the saw-suit shuddered to life he knew he must face this fear, and he knew he wouldn't like it one bit.

Aliases:

Rizzrack, Shredder

Voice:

TJ Ramini (Responses)

Abilities[]

Whirling Death

▶️

▶️QD

Ability
No Target

Affects
Enemies

Damage
Pure

Timbersaw whirls extremely sharp edges, damaging enemies and destroying trees around him in an area. If an enemy hero is affected, it loses some of its primary attribute for a short duration. Whirling Death will deal bonus damage per tree destroyed.

Cast Animation:

+

Radius: 325

Base Damage: 80/120/160/200

Bonus Damage per Cut Tree: 11/18/25/32

Primary Attribute Reduction: 10% (

22%)

Debuff Duration: 12/13/14/15

7.5/7/6.5/6

80

Illusion Notes:

Temporary attribute changes are not copied by illusions.

Modifiers []

Any

In the case that Rizzrack gets surrounded by the vines and plants of nightmares, he has an immediate chainsaw defense.

NOTES

Interrupts Timbersaw's channeling abilities upon cast.

Whirling Death first applies the debuff, then the damage.

Destroys trees within 325 radius around Timbersaw upon cast.

Checks for the affected enemy heroes' current primary attribute, then reduces their current total primary attributes, including base and bonus attributes.
- The attribute reduction does not update if the affected target(s) gain or lose primary attributes after the debuff is placed.
- Whirling Death cannot reduce any attributes below 0. The actual attribute reduction displayed on the HUD is truncated, since it does not display attributes with decimal points. This affects the following things:
  - Marci at Level 1 has 23 strength with a max health of 660, and is affected by Whirling Death without the attribute reduction increasing talent.
  - Her strength is reduced to 20.7; however, the strength value displayed on the HUD is rounded up to 21 instead. This is not her actual strength value.
  - Marci's actual strength will be 20 after the primary attribute reduction, and her max health is 614, before Whirling Death deals its damage.
  - Successive Whirling Death attribute reductions will use the current strength values, 20.7 in this example, following the same notes as above.

Whirling Death first reduces current health by 20 per strength, then the damage.
- Upon losing the debuff, enemies first only regain 19 health per strength, before gaining their attributes back.
- Health regain is considered as setting health.

Has no effect on affected units' current mana percentage if intelligence is reduced.

Debuffs of successive casts stack additively, with each cast placing a new debuff with its duration independent of each other.

The attribute reduction fully affects illusions, Meepo Clones and the Tempest Double.

Timber Chain

▶️

▶️WT

Ability
Target Point

Affects
Self / Enemies
(Trees)

Damage
Pure

Timbersaw fires a chain that embeds itself in the first tree it hits, pulling him towards it. Any enemy in the path takes damage.

Cast Animation: +

Cast Range:

750/900/1050/1200 (

1875/2025/2175/2325)

Max Travel Distance:

750/900/1050/1200 (

1875/2025/2175/2325)

Tree Search Radius: 90

Damage Radius: 225

Damage: 70/120/170/220

4

60/70/80/90

Root Notes:

Does not cancel an already started cast.

Modifiers []

You never know when you might need to escape from malevolent saplings.

NOTES

The chain travels at a speed of 2200/2400/2600/2800, and always travels either the full distance or until connecting with a tree.

With the maximum travel distance and tree search radius, it can connect to trees up to 840/990/1140/1290 ( 1965/2115/2265/2415) range away.

The hooked tree is destroyed once the chain stops pulling.

Fully damages invisible and untargetable units.

Can pull Timbersaw over impassable terrain and through trees.

Timbersaw stops being pulled if he is disabled at any point during Timber Chain.
- If Timbersaw is disabled before the chain starts pulling, the chain still pulls him for a very short distance.
- This is still enough to cause damage around him to nearby units or to interact with distance-based ability effects (e.g. Rupture).

Timbersaw is disarmed, but he can cast abilities during the pull.

The chain's tip briefly provides 100 radius ground vision around itself while traveling, and 400 radius ground vision once reaching maximum distance or connecting with a tree.

Reactive Armor

EE

Ability
Passive

Affects
Self

Each time Timbersaw is attacked, he gains increased health regen and armor. Heroes grant double the amount.

Max Stacks: 10/20/30/40 (

16/26/36/46)

Armor Bonus per Stack: 0.5/0.6/0.7/0.8

Health Regen Bonus per Stack: 0.4/0.5/0.6/0.7

Stack Gain per Hero Attack: 2

Stack Gain per Non-Hero Attack: 1

Stack Duration: 10/12/14/16 (

16/18/20/22)

Break Notes:

Prevents gaining new stacks.

Existing stacks still provide bonus armor and health regeneration.

If Break is applied by an attack, Reactive Armor first triggers on that attack before getting disabled.

Illusion Notes:

Illusions can gain stacks independently.

Illusions do not benifit from the armor bonus.

Modifiers []

The saw-suit is equipped to react to the slightest touch with fortified defenses.

NOTES

Reactive Armor only triggers when a unit lands an attack, regardless of distance. This means it cannot trigger on missed attacks.

The Reactive Armor stack is always gained right before the attacker's damage is dealt to its target.

Does not trigger on instant attacks that cannot proc attack modifiers (e.g. Split Shot before learning the talent and Flak Cannon).
- Can trigger on attacks from wards, buildings and allies.

Each stack has its own duration and is independent from other stacks. The amount of stacks is shown on the status buff icon.

Treats clones, illusions and creep-heroes as heroes.

At max stacks, Reactive Armor grants 5/12/21/32 ( 8/15.6/25.2/36.8) bonus armor and 4/10/18/28 ( 6.4/13/21.6/32.2) bonus health regeneration on each level.
- Can regenerate up to 40/120/252/448 ( 64/180/360/616) health over its full duration.
- For how much armor and health regeneration bonus a certain amount of Reactive Armor stacks on each level grants, including the max stacks increasing talent, please refer to the chart below.

The amount of stacks is also visually indicated by a dome which closes over on Timbersaw. The exhaust on the suit also starts emitting fire once the dome is fully closed.
- The dome has 4 fragments, each appearing for every 4 stacks (1 – 4, 5 – 8, 9 – 12, 13 – 16). The dome opens again upon dropping below the given amount of stacks.

Second Chakram

▶️

▶️DF

Ability
Target Area

Affects
Enemies / Self

Damage
Pure

Launches a second independent Chakram.

Cast Animation: +

Cast Range:

1200

Effect Radius: 200

Pass Damage: 110/155/200

Damage per Second: 70/95/120

Move Speed Slow per 5% Max Health Missing: 5% (

9%)

Aura Linger Duration: 0.5

Passing Slow Duration: 0.5

8

75/125/175
+ 14/22/30_/ second

Modifiers []

Any

Ability Draft Notes:

Requires drafting

Chakram to be unlocked.

Both Second Chakram and Chakram are linked abilities.

Cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut!

NOTES

Requires Aghanim's Scepter to be unlocked.
- If the item is acquired before Chakram was learned, Second Chakram will be at level 1.

Second Chakram is fully equivalent to the main Chakram. Both Chakram and the Second Chakram act independently.

The movement speed slow debuff of Chakram and Second Chakram stack with each other, but do not stack with multiple of themselves.

Chakram notes fully apply.

Return Second Chakram

▶️DF

Ability
No Target

Returns the Chakram to Timbersaw.

Cast Animation:

+

0

Sub-ability of Second Chakram.

NOTES

Replaces Second Chakram until the Second Chakram has fully returned to Timbersaw.

Does not interrupt Timbersaw's channeling abilities upon cast.

Timbersaw is unable to level Second Chakram up while this sub-ability is active.

Flamethrower

▶️

▶️FR

Ability
No Target

Affects
Enemies

Damage
Magical

Releases a flame in the direction Timbersaw is facing. Applies a debuff that deals damage per second and slows enemy movement speed. Affects buildings for reduced damage.

Cast Animation:

+

Flame Starting Width: 0

Flame Length: 400

Flame End Width: 275

Damage per Second: 80

Building Damage Percentage: 40%

Move Speed Slow: 30%

Tree Destruction Delay: 5

Debuff Duration: 2

Flamethrower Duration: 8

20

100

Modifiers []

Any

Ability Draft Notes:

Requires drafting

Chakram to be unlocked.

NOTES

Requires Aghanim's Shard to be unlocked.

Interrupts Timbersaw's channeling abilities upon cast.

The complete area is shaped like a cone.

Applies the fire debuff within the area in 0.1-second intervals, starting immediately upon cast, resulting in 81 instances.
- The debuff deals 40 damage in 0.5-second intervals, starting immediately upon getting placed, resulting in a minimum of 5 instances.
- Can apply up to 21 damage instances if an enemy stands within the flames for the entire duration.

One instance of the debuff can deal up to 200 ( 80) damage, considering the minimum duration (before reductions).
- Can deal a total 840 ( 336) damage if an enemy stands within the flames for the whole duration.

Trees within the area of effect are set on fire, and get destroyed 5 seconds afterwards.

Flamethrower first applies its debuff, then the damage.

Provides 175 radius non-lingering ground vision 400 range in front of Timbersaw for the duration.

Chakram

▶️

▶️RC

Ability
Target Area

Affects
Enemies / Self

Damage
Pure

Fires your main saw blade at the target location where it will spin in place, dealing damage in an area around it. Enemies caught in the saw blade will move more slowly for every 5% of health missing. The blade deals damage and cuts down trees in its path when fired and retracted. While active the ability costs mana, and you lose the ability to attack.

Cast Animation: + (

+)

Cast Range:

1200

Effect Radius: 200

Pass Damage: 110/155/200

Damage per Second: 50/75/100 (

70/95/120)

Move Speed Slow per 5% Max Health Missing: 5% (

9%)

Aura Linger Duration: 0.5

Passing Slow Duration: 0.5

8

75/125/175
+ 14/22/30_/ second

Aghanim's Scepter Upgrade:

New Ability

Grants the Second Chakram ability.
Reduces Chakram cast point.

Aghanim's Shard Upgrade:

New Ability

Grants the Flamethrower ability.

Modifiers []

Any

Both Chakram and Second Chakram are linked abilities.

The ultimate in anti-flora weaponry.

NOTES

Chakram travels at a speed of 900.
- Disarms Timbersaw as soon as the Chakram is launched, until the Chakram fully returns to Timbersaw.
- While traveling towards the target point, the blade deals pass damage and movement speed slows on enemy units within range once.

Upon reaching the target area, the Chakram deals 25/37.5/50 ( 35/47.5/60) damage (before reductions), and drains 7/11/15 of Timbersaw's mana in 0.5-second intervals, starting 0.5 seconds after reaching the target area.
- The Chakram also applies a movement speed slow aura to enemies which lingers for 0.5 seconds.

The Chakram stops draining mana and dealing damage over time as soon as it starts to return.
- While returning, the Chakram deals the pass damage to nearby units again and slows enemy units' movement speed by placing a debuff again.
- The movement speed slow from the Chakram passing, in both directions, lasts 0.5 seconds.
- The movement speed slow debuff from passing and from the stationary aura is the same. However, the former is dispellable, the latter is not.
- A passing Chakram first applies the passing damage, then the debuff.
- The passing damage may only damage the same unit once when flying toward the targeted point, and once again when returning.

The Chakram returns to Timbersaw in the following conditions:
- Upon using the Return Chakram sub-ability.
- When it exceeds 2000 range away.
  - The effective area for the link break distance is half of a sphere and not a flat circle. Therefore, the Chakram returns when Timbersaw is moved upward far enough.

The Chakram instantly disappears and does not return upon Timbersaw's death, even with Reincarnation.

The first 5% ( 9%) movement speed slow is applied at 95% – 100% of the affected target's maximum health. As the affected target's maximum health go lower, the Chakram slows up to 100% movement speed at between 1% – 5% ( 46% – 50%) max health.

The movement speed slow debuff of Chakram and Second Chakram stack with each other, but do not stack with multiple of themselves.

Chakram provides 300 radius flying vision while spinning in place at the target area.
- Does not provide vision while the Chakram is traveling.

Return Chakram

▶️RC

Ability
No Target

Returns the Chakram to Timbersaw.

Cast Animation:

+

0

Sub-ability of Chakram.

NOTES

Replaces Chakram until the Chakram has fully returned to Timbersaw.

Does not interrupt Timbersaw's channeling abilities upon cast.

Timbersaw is unable to level Chakram up while this sub-ability is active.

Reactive Armor Calculations[]

Reactive Armor Calculations with Talent Bonuses per Hero Attack
Armor Bonus Calculations
Stack Count	2	4	6	8	10	12	14	16	18	20	22	24	26	28	30	32	34	36	38	40	42	44	46
Level 1 ()	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
Level 2 ()	1.2	2.4	3.6	4.8	6	7.2	8.4	9.6	10.8	12	13.2	14.4	15.6
Level 3 ()	1.4	2.8	4.2	5.6	7	8.4	9.8	11.2	12.6	14	15.4	16.8	18.2	19.6	21	22.4	23.8	25.2
Level 4 ()	1.6	3.2	4.8	6.4	8	9.6	11.2	12.8	14.4	16	17.6	19.2	20.8	22.4	24	25.6	27.2	28.8	30.4	32	33.6	35.2	36.8
Health Regeneration Calculations
Stack Count	2	4	6	8	10	12	14	16	18	20	22	24	26	28	30	32	34	36	38	40	42	44	46
Level 1 ()	0.8	1.6	2.4	3.2	4	4.8	5.6	6.4
Level 2 ()	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13
Level 3 ()	1.2	2.4	3.6	4.8	6	7.2	8.4	9.6	10.8	12	13.2	14.4	15.6	16.8	18	19.2	20.4	21.6
Level 4 ()	1.4	2.8	4.2	5.6	7	8.4	9.8	11.2	12.6	14	15.4	16.8	18.2	19.6	21	22.4	23.8	25.2	26.6	28	29.4	30.8	32.2

Talents[]

Hero Talents
+1125 Timber Chain Range	25	+12% Whirling Death Attribute Reduction
+4% Chakram Slow	20	+16 Strength
+6 Reactive Armor Stacks and Duration	15	+8% Spell Amplification
+1.5 Mana Regen	10	+200 Health

Notes:

The health talent increases maximum health capacity, and keeps the current health percentage.

The strength talent effectively grants Timbersaw 320 health, 1.6 health regeneration, and 16 main attack damage bonus.

Recent Changes[]

Main Article: Timbersaw/Changelogs

Version

Description

7.32d

Aghanim's Shard upgrade:
- Increased Flamethrower duration from 7 to 8.
Talents:

Level 25 right talent: +10%

Whirling Death attribute reduction increased to +12%.

7.32

Increased strength gain from 3.2 to 3.5.
Reactive Armor
- Increased hero attacks per stack gain from 1 to 2.
- Increased max stacks from 6/12/18/24 to 10/20/30/40.
- Reduced health regeneration bonus per stack from 0.7/0.9/1.1/1.3 to 0.4/0.5/0.6/0.7.
- Reduced armor bonus per stack from 0.9/1/1.1/1.2 to 0.5/0.6/0.7/0.8.
Chakram
- Reduced mana cost per second from 16/23/30 to 14/22/30.
- Reduced mana cost from 80/140/200 to 75/125/175.
Aghanim's Scepter upgrade:
- Second Chakram
  - Reduced mana cost per second from 16/23/30 to 14/22/30.
  - Reduced mana cost from 80/140/200 to 75/125/175.

7.31d

Increased base strength from 24 to 25.
Timber Chain
- Reduced cast range from 800/950/1100/1250 to 750/900/1050/1200.
- Reduced max travel distance from 800/950/1100/1250 to 750/900/1050/1200.

Recommended Items[]

Starting items:

Clarity restores mana to Timbersaw, useful throughout the game.
Tango provides ample regeneration for Timbersaw in the early game.
Healing Salve helps Timbersaw stay in lane.
Iron Branch gives a small boost to Timbersaw's attributes, and can build into a Magic Wand later in the game. Iron branches can also be planted as trees to use in combination with his abilities.
Enchanted Mango provides a source of mana in the early game.

Early game:

Soul Ring provides strength and mana for Timbersaw to survive and use abilities.
Arcane Boots are the boots of choice for Timbersaw, as they boost his overall mana pool and provide him with a periodic increase of mana for both him and his team. He can disassemble them to use the Energy Booster for Bloodstone.
Magic Wand increases Timbersaw's attributes, and gives health and mana restoration.

Mid game:

Hood of Defiance protects Timbersaw from magical damage. Along with Reactive Armor, Hood makes Timbersaw difficult to kill in the early to mid game.
Eul's Scepter of Divinity gives mana regeneration, movement speed, and a way to dispel disables such as silences.
Bloodstone provides excellent mana regeneration allowing Timbersaw to sustain his abilities. Furthermore, it provides him with a bit more health, health regeneration, and the ability to heal himself, which is always good for a hero who has to go deep in fights.

Late game:

Lotus Orb gives you good armor, dispel disables, and discourages enemy heroes from casting spells on you. It can also be applied on other allies in times of need.
Shiva's Guard makes Timbersaw considerably more durable due to the large amount of armor it provides. The large amount of intelligence it provides is also very beneficial as Timbersaw requires a lot of mana and mana regeneration to do well. The active ability also helps Timbersaw kill his foes since the slow allows him to be more precise with all of his spells and it adds another nuke on top of that. Shiva's can also make Timbersaw a decent initiator.
Aghanim's Scepter gives Timbersaw a second Chakram, allowing him to scale much better into the late game with even higher damage output. However, the mana cost of a second Chakram will deplete his mana very quickly; therefore a mana item like Bloodstone or Scythe of Vyse is mandatory before picking up this item.

Situational items:

Aghanim's Shard unlocks Flamethrower for further area damage and a slow to keep foes within arm's reach.
Blade Mail allows Timbersaw to use the damage of his enemies against them. It also provides him with a small amount of armor and 28 attack damage.
Holy Locket compliments Reactive Armor with bonus magic resistance and amplified health regeneration. The item also gives some mana so Timbersaw can keep using abilities.
Eternal Shroud builds from Hood of Defiance and gives mana from blocked spell damage and spell lifesteal to further improve his survivability.
Octarine Core improves Timbersaw's teamfight presence by letting him spam his low-cooldown spells even more readily.
Scythe of Vyse allows Timbersaw to disable a single enemy hero, allowing both Timbersaw and his team to completely destroy the targeted hero.
Linken's Sphere can be situationally good against certain heroes with powerful single target spells.
Pipe of Insight provides Timbersaw with a large boost to his magic resistance, which can be very good against a team that can output a large amount of magical damage. In addition, this item provides a nice amount of health regeneration.
Orchid Malevolence can be a good pickup if you are having issues with an enemy disabling, silencing, or blinking away from you. On top of the silence the item brings, it gives Timbersaw even more mana regen and bigger mana pool, as well as extra damage output with the burst at the end of the silence. In combination with a Blink Dagger, Timbersaw becomes incredibly fearsome and can punish anyone out of position with ease.
Rod of Atos synergizes very well with Timbersaw, since the increased intelligence will allow him to cast more spells which deal more damage and the health will increase his survivability. The root from Atos will assist in landing Timbersaw's spells.
Heart of Tarrasque makes Timbersaw tanky with additional health and strength. The passive health regeneration is also very beneficial for Timbersaw as it means he can use Timber Chain to escape his enemies, and then he can gradually regenerate his health back up to full.

Gameplay[]

Strategy & Tips

Counters &
Matchups

Audio[]

Responses

Sounds

History[]

Lore

Old Abilities

Changelogs

Equipment[]

Trivia[]

In DotA, Rizzrack's hero title was "Goblin Shredder". Unlike his Dota 2 counterpart, he cut trees for profit and was not afraid of them.
- His alternate/fun name was "Oroku Saki", a reference to the real name of the villain in "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" Shredder.

Upon killing Treant Protector ▶️ "If you fall in the woods, and I laugh, will anyone hear me?" is a reference to the popular philosophical question "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?".

▶️ "I'm not a lumberjack, and no, I'm not okay. I thank you." is a reference to "Monty Python's Flying Circus" in which they sing a song called "I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay".

▶️ "Trees? Why did it have to be trees?" is a reference to the ""Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark"" line "Snakes. Why did it have to be snakes?" ^[1]

Chakram and Second Chakram colors may be a reference to the colors of portals of the games "Portal" and "Portal 2", another series from "Valve".

Chakram is most likely a reference to the mythological disc-weapon of the "Hindu deity Viṣṇu". The weapon's full name is "Sudarśana Cakra" (the transliterated "c" makes a "ch" sound) and it is considered one of the most powerful weapons in Hindu mythology.

While Storing Rune ▶️ "This is my scheming face." may be a reference to the character Myron Reducto from "Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law".

Timbersaw is probably modeled after a type of goblin named "kallikantzaroi" who, according to folklore, stay underground sawing the world tree, so that it will collapse, along with the Earth. However, when they are about to saw the final part, Christmas dawns and they are able to come to the surface. They forget the tree and come to bring trouble to mortals. This very well explains Timbersaw's hatred towards trees.