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sound files
I am not entirely sure if this is the right spot for this to ask, but is there a general summary of sound files on here? not only hero specific responses but all sound files?

thanks — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.224.63.172 (talk) • (contribs) 19 March 2013
 * Category:Lists of responses lists them all. - RJ 18:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Upcoming changes - migration onto Gamepedia platform
Hey guys. Curse have been moving to their existing wiki's to their Gamepedia platform, and we are scheduled to be moved on to that platform in the next 4-6 weeks.

On the front-end this will manifest itself with two major changes:
 * Our domain will change to dota2.gamepedia.com, and our existing domain will act as a forwarder.
 * The MediaWiki accounts system will be replaced with a unified Curse.com account system.
 * Instructions on how to merge your MediaWiki and Curse account will be released once the migration is complete. It is possible your username could be taken, so make sure you register or recover your Curse.com account as soon as possible.

On the back-end the Gamepedia platform is a lot better for resource and extension management, which means the wiki's performance will improve and any technical requests we make will be dealt with quicker.

Any questions, throw them below. - RJ 19:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * By forwarded do you mean a 302 or just a simple A record/CNAME on the dota2wiki.com record. Please be meaning the latter. Please. -- Lagg User Lagg optf2 icon.png 21:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 302, but I have since asked for the latter. - RJ 23:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi I'm one of the DevOps guys that handled the migration, I'd love to know why you prefer A/CNAME over 302s. --MentalPower (talk) 20:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * We now have Dota 2 Wiki:Gamepedia detailing the changes, and it will be linked to from a sitenotice 2 weeks prior to the migration. - RJ 18:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Demonstration videos
Hey guys. I've set up a dictionary and the necessary templates to display demonstration videos on relevant pages, with DotaCinema's video links as a place-holder for now. Reading the previous discussion about showing DotaCinema's videos nobody was overly against it, but the reasons against were: 1) A big video-block detracts from the page's quality/readability/conciseness. 2) The Wiki should be an independent resource and shouldn't favour any particular entity's content.

With regards to #1, we can add some javascript and a collapsible table that tracks per-user whether that user wants video-blocks open or collapsed and automagically collapse or show video-blocks across the Wiki accordingly; but we also need to figure out where on pages we should show that video-block. I have the demonstration system set up right now for Hero introductions and courier previews, for courier previews it can just go above the gallery - those pages don't have a ton of content, but for hero pages the placement is a bit more important - I think the two main places it could belong is collapsed by default and above hero abilities; or not collapsed by default and below hero abilities.

With regards to point #2, I think this is a valid concern and I agree we do not want to open the gates to any average joe using their own video; on the TF2 Wiki we produce our own videos because of that fact, but here we don't have the resources to do that so I think the next best thing is partnering with somebody and strictly sticking with them. Arguments for showing these videos would be that they're super useful and making these videos more accessible, by adding them to the Wiki, would be of great benefit to our visitors. Arguments for going with DotaCinema is that their videos are arguably the most appropriate for the Wiki - they're short, concise, of great quality, and DotaCinema has the largest collection of these short videos, and they're all in a consistent format.

So, given the last discussion seemingly fell quiet with no clear consensus either way, I think the topic is worth us revisiting; and I won't be rolling out these videos until we've resolved whether or not we should actually have them. If we end up deciding we do want these videos and we want DotaCinema providing them, I'll get in contact with DotaCinema and make sure they are OK with us using their videos before I implement them onto our pages.

Please throw your opinions below: - RJ 19:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

We should have video blocks on pages?

 * I think hero overviews are a great resource for the community and us making them more accessible will end up being greatly useful for our visitors. The cosmetic/courier videos only really show animations/particle effects better than we are capable of doing with only static images, and they won't detract from cosmetic pages so I don't see a problem with having those either. - RJ 19:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * on hero overview pages - videos are far more capable of explaining concepts than written text. If a picture says a thousand words, a one second clips says thirty thousand words. on the cosmetic/courier videos, as I think that that section needs a major overhaul where videos do not necessarily fit. -  Hef aistus  21:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

DotaCinema?

 * As said above, I think they're the best quality and in the most appropriate format from the community so far. - RJ 19:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I also think that DotaCinema provides guides that currently of the highest quality available. On top of that, they already have quite a following in the community, which should help with acceptation during and after integration. - Hef aistus  21:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Placement on hero pages

 * I think collapsed above-abilities is probably the best place to put them. Having it collapsed will mean it doesn't visually detract from the rest of the page, but having it near the top of the page will make it more noticable and more likely to be seen and watched by those who wish to watch the videos. - RJ  19:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've placed some examples here User:RJackson/Video_examples; the above-abiltiites one being collapsible and collapsed by default, the other two not being collapsible at all. - RJ 21:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that it would be best to put them above the abilities. People that only need general information will then find it speedily, while those looking for more in-depth information would go through the trouble of scrolling for the abilities anyway. That being said, I think that the current 'hide'-implementation needs to be reconsidered, because it currently is rather counter-intuitive with it being right next to the '[edit]'-tag that is closer to the section than 'show'. Heck, put it in a table much alike equipment if there's no other way, but I can't see the current implementation working very well. - Hef aistus  21:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Matchmaking status?
Does anybody have an idea on how the normal, high pool and very high pool works? Is it by the higher the level, the higher the pool or # of wins. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.106.49.106 (talk) • (contribs) 04:07, June 16, 2013‎
 * Skill level. Also, this discussion is irrelevant to the Dota 2 Wiki, which this page is for discussing (and not general questions about the game). Bring your general Dota 2 questions to a general Dota 2 community. -- Outworld Devourer icon.png  Seven Five Seven   04:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Recommended Items keyword for each Item Page
Wouldn't it be great if each item contained 1 line that says what you add in your: Steam>Steamapps>Common>Dota 2 beta>dota>itembuilds>"default_[hero name].txt" recommended items guide?

For example, to add tranquil boots to your recommended items list you would open the .txt and add in the category you wish:

"#DOTA_Item_Build_Early_Game" {				"item"		"item_boots" "item"		"item_bracer" "item"		"item_bracer" "item"         "item_tranquil_boots" }

This would make dota2wiki even more complete. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.237.251.207 (talk) • (contribs)
 * I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting; I don't see any benefit to listing the game's internal item name alongside recommended items. - RJ 12:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Issues after migration
There are some errors in non-english articles:

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Phantom_Lancer/ru

1. Errors in hero stats. 2. Equipment is not working. 3. template DISPLAYTITLE (for russian pages) is not working as well.

And small and not important question. Am I still administrator on the wiki? --ERmachdp (talk) 21:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Treasure_Chests

4. There are no rarity colours on items. 5. Corrupted nav templates on item pages. (f.e. http://dota2.gamepedia.com/The_Blood_Shard) --ERmachdp (talk) 07:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Displaytitle is likely just a MediaWiki variable being reset to default on the new Gamepedia config, it should be an easy fix. The rest look related to Semantic MediaWiki to me, it seems to not be returning data on some articles and I'm not sure why. I'll have it looked in to, and yes you should still be administrator - your account is still flagged as admin; what makes you think you're not?
 * Here are some test-cases of SMW not returning results, for our buddies at Curse to dig into :3
 * - RJ 12:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * - RJ 12:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * - RJ 12:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * - RJ 12:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * - RJ 12:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The soundclip param for Template:Hero bio is not passing its value; it is passing the #if parserfunction to note it is present, but it's not passing the value through. - RJ 12:26, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Duplicated heroes in Cast_animation (SMW) - RJ 12:26, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The SMW Data Repair tool got stuck last night. We re-started it and it should resolve all SMW issues when finished. - Smokie (talk) 14:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As a follow-up to this, and to document what I said over Skype - I think the duplicate SMW query results could be because SMW, when querying a category, is also querying any sub-categories that category might have; this behaviour didn't seem to occur previously so it's either a change with a Semantic MediaWiki upgrade, or it's something skipped over when configuring the Gamepedia site. This behaviour can be disabled by settings   to false in our configuration. - RJ  09:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I dunno about that. I don't think  is the issue. For example, compare Category:Agility_heroes to the semantic query for the pages in that category. There are no subcategories to complicate the matter, and yet there are some duplicate results. I think the two most likely causes are (1) database corruption caused by the transition or (2) a bug in this version of SMW, which is newer than the one we were using before. If the problem is DB corruption, then rebuilding semantic data from Special:SMWAdmin should fix it. If the problem is a bug in SMW, we might be hitting 48706 and 48707 (although these bugs are technically filed against the newer, development branch of SMW). If rebuilding semantic data doesn't resolve the issue, it might be good to add this datapoint to the mediazilla bugs. It's going to be annoying if it's a bug, but it might get prompt attention if it turns out to be present on the release branch. --50.135.154.73 08:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Have a small problem with Kunkka's set: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/The_Commendable_Commodore_Set. How to delete a duplicated page? (Look in "Cosmetic Items for Kunkka" template). And how can I fix errors with hero stats in russian pages? For example - http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Kunkka/ru. (Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ",".)
 * Yeah we're aware of duplicate SMW entries, see the comment I just made above - I think that's the solution. With regards to Kunkka/ru I don't see any errors there at all; if the error is still present for you try purging the pages cache with the 'Refresh' button in the dropdown next to the search box - try this on any other pages that are displaying errors too. - RJ  09:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I found the solution. Its not in browsers or cache files, its problem with russian interface language (on wiki). If I switch interface language to English - problem disappears. Can I somehow fix this error in Russian language? --ERmachdp (talk) 08:21, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Download sound
From 25-th June I maust download responses sounds to listen them. Where could I listen responses sounds without download it? Like early. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 95.73.247.218 (talk) • (contribs)
 * They work as before for me using Google Chrome (on Windows and Linux) and Firefox (on Linux). What browser and operating system are you using? - RJ  12:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Opera browser. Late where was ok. Now, before listen the sound, I must download it.
 * I am also having problems with the sound boxes. Rather than play the sound directly in the page, it redirects me directly to the url of the file. The boxes are also blue now, and are larger than they used to be. If you look at my userpage I have a little list set up, and the icons used to sit perfectly on top of the sound boxes, but not anymore. I'm using Chrome on Mac OS 10.8.4. --Pigbuster (talk) 23:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * mw:Extension:SoundManager2Button should be upgraded from version 0.3.1 to version 0.3.4. --50.135.154.73 08:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Linked to another page when listening to voice lines, or not working at all
I believe this is not supposed to happen because sometimes it links to another page instead of just playing from the main page. Some of the sound files don't work either.

Hero Quote Sound Clips and Spell Sound Effects
Are the hero sound clips for the quotes on the pages of each hero going to come back soon? I always enjoyed listening to them whenever I went onto a hero page :)

Also, what about the addition of all sound files for all the spells in the game to the hero pages? There are already sound files for the items in the game, so spells would be great too! ILikePi (talk) 00:47, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

is this an error
Can i ask you something ? Why does it say on your heroes page that 'currently, 112 of the 112 heroes are playable in the main Dota 2 client' which is not true ? is this some sort of an error or something? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 78.185.140.110 (talk) • (contribs)
 * Yes that's an error; we think we know why (see comment about SMW and subcategories above), and we're just waiting for Curse to deploy the fix for it. :) - RJ 18:59, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the response :)

Somehow, Abaddon's addition resulted in the glitched count now being a ridiculous "113 of the 112"... This may be an advantage, now it's so obviously wrong that even readers new to the game will probably know to not trust it. 2.11.147.197 01:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And during the time I wrote that, another IP took it upon himself to rip out the SMW query and replace it with plain text. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 2.11.147.197 (talk) • (contribs)
 * Just to make sure people know what's happening regarding this: it turns out there were problems with the old SMW support tools that were installed, so when we tried rebuilding the SMW data before it wasn't actually doing anything useful. Curse have fixed this and they will start to rebuild the SMW data once again on Monday - they're doing it Monday to ensure they are in-office and accessible throughout the entirety of the operation, as it's estimated to between 2-5 days to repair on a data-set of our size and they want to be available in case of any new problems. - RJ  02:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Template "Buy now" is not working
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but in cosmetic items this template is not working. For example, new Clinkz's set (http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Lost_Hills_Set) - there is no template, but in old sets (http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Demonic_Vandal%27s_Set) its ok. What's wrong? --ERmachdp (talk) 12:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * WindBOT hasn't been updating the Template:Dictionary/price and Template:Dictionary/defindex pages for about a month it seems. I think this is because WindBOT's steamodd was updated to a newer version that made significant API changes which were not backwards compatible, and the code here wasn't updated alongside that update; I've updated that code now so hopefully WindBOT will start running the filter again. - RJ 12:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I thought I was doing something wrong. Thanks again. --ERmachdp (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyway, this Bot is not working. I am created this templates myself for each item, but it was good if this work made by bots. Look at newly created sets: The_Slithereen_Knight_Set and The_Northern_Wind_Set (for Windrunner I create templates myself) --ERmachdp (talk) 15:29, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Need a little help
How can I get the frickin tables to show the gray background on even rows here? http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Hero_equipment_with_custom_animations I've experimented so much and the only thing that gives me the layout I want is tables, divs just screw everything up, but for some reason, all tables have a white background even when set to transparent. The template I created for that page is here: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Template:Single-hero_cosmetic_item_nav/item_custom_animation
 * PS: Feel free to add to that list.

--178.202.204.152 15:47, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I finally got it! had to put background:transparent in the tag too. List is still incomplete, I'll browse items and add those that mention changing animations - but I don't know if I catch them all, so feel free to add any missing items! --178.202.204.152 16:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Missing a bit of death and damage info
I've searched several expected mechanics articles and haven't been able to find specifics on two points that seem like they should be explained in this wiki. The easier expectation: respawn time. A few leads like Death go to the Gold page, which is appropriate enough since it has multiple equations. I never found an explanation for what controls respawn duration (also could probably warrant additional redirects for other pertinent searches like "respawning"). The other point of info I expected to be able to figure out from reading around is what do +damage items affect? Basic right-click attacks? All damage? Physical damage? --50.152.2.93 08:22, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Hero page layouts
As a long reader of the wiki, and a wiki editor myself, I do like the consistency of the Dota 2 wiki's layouts for hero pages. However, I do feel like the layout is somewhat, in its current state, lacking and fairly outdated. So what I'm suggesting is a new layout that hero pages can follow, which is more detailed, informative and could allow for more consistency. [Infobox here]

[Generic intro, like current hero pages; covers the hero's general role, playstyle, like currently though some could be rewritten; should be a paragraph long]

Bio
[same template used as currently]

Abilities
[No changes here, aside from the potential for them to be listed in tabs? Like, first spell tab, second spell tab? May require MediaWiki extension]

Roles
[Rather than just listing the heroes' role (carry, support, ganker) like the intro does, this section describes the various roles the hero can fill in depth, ie "Windrunner is often played in a supporting position, however she can be laned anywhere and given farm can even carry a game herself"]

Vulnerabilities
[A rundown of the heroes' weaknesses, and mentions of counterpicks; ie "Lifestealer may be incredibly strong once he reaches his foes but can be beaten with through-bkb disables, for example Bane's 'Fiend's Grip' ultimate"]

Tips
[A few pages already have this section; a bunch of bullet points explaining tips on how to play the hero in certain playstyles]

Recommended items
[Like currently, though I feel some of these sections should be rewritten]

Skill builds
[As Valve don't recommend a skill build, this one would be more complex]

Update history
[Unchanged]

Balance changelog
[Unchanged]

Competitive play
[A history of the hero's appearances in the pro scene, ie "Batrider was largely unseen in the competitive play after that, until his major buffs in 6.75, which caused him to dominate the scene: he had 100% pick/ban rate during The International 3."]

Equipment
[unchanged]

Trivia
[blah]

Gallery
[blah]

[Navbox goes here]

So there's my input. Please tell me what you think, and as for redesigning pages in this format, I'm happy to contribute to that.--Technobliterator (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)