Dota 2 Wiki:Discussion

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Dota2Wiki giveaway
Good day, gentlemen. I'm here to offer some event (or serie of events) to increase Wiki popularity. As far as I know, for the moment moslty admins edit and create new pages. TI4 is almost here, and with launching Compendium + League itself there will be a lot of new articles to be written. I'm dota-trade.com admin and would like to offer keys/sets/items for such giveaway. Each week you will pick users made hugest contribution to Wiki, to distribute prizes among them. Ofc it's just an offer. We would like to give items to popularize Wiki among editors. Maybe you had already other ideas of giveaways. Will be much appreciate for your reply! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Panishev (talk) • (contribs)
 * I agree with this. I'm only contributor on Russian side of wiki, and ofc, updating that lang-pages took a long time. --eЯmac.hdp (talk) 16:25, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've been planning to put a module on the main page that says "Help Needed" to recruit editors, with links to our Steam group, IRC, promotional event info (like this one), an editing guide, and a list of pages that need attention. Except I don't know how to do create modules! ): - Lemoncream (talk) 22:14, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If you will add this module, let me know, pls. We will provide items for it. Or maybe you will find some easier way to inform users. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Panishev (talk) • (contribs)
 * Agreed. This wiki need much contributors. Medok 17:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposal: Remove community guides
Community Guides have gone exactly nowhere in the past year. I suggest that we are not an appropriate platform for community guides. In the interest of a clean wiki, I propose removing community guides pages and uninstalling CommunityVoice and its dependencies. --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 01:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree - Everybody's using Steam guides anyway - Lemoncream (talk) 02:29, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea. I agree - LingoSalad (talk) 20:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed, opinionated guides seem out of place in my mind. The "Tips" sections for hero pages have become a sort of guide as is. My only question is whether the removal of the community guides will affect the Hero Difficulty guide? It's constantly being changed by people because everyone's opinion about hero difficulty is different. It was supposed to be a direct copy of R.B. Economy's PlayDota post, but has quickly become something else entirely. I vote it be rolled-back to version 508671 and locked to keep it's integrity. That, or remove it along with the other guides. --PimpadelicX (talk) 11:02, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * . Sole remaining page in Guides namespace was Guides:Hero Difficulty, which I have moved to Hero Difficulty. This is an odd duck. It really belongs in userspace, I think, but I respect Pigbuster's decision to dissociate himself from it. I think linking to it from the front page is a poor idea. The idea behind community guides was that the creator exercised total control, but with a single officially blessed hero difficulty guide it's not clear how disagreements should be arbitrated. Should it be a free-for all? Should R.B. Economy have the last word forever? What about the fact that R.B. Economy hasn't updated his guide since 2011? There are no good answers except to remove the guide entirely, which I'm reluctant to do unilaterally. Until consensus is reached on a solution, I think I'll take up PimpadelicX on his proposal to revert and lock, and add a disclaimer to the top of the page. I don't feel strongly about this, so feel free to overrule me. --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 00:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the information is not objective enough to be presented as an article. If we keep it and protect it, it's the same as having a guide, since it's not really any sort of official information. I vote delete - LingoSalad (talk) 03:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I've always thought it should be deleted... too subjective, prone to pointless editing, etc. Let's reserve this wiki for official content, opinions can be found elsewhere. - Lemoncream (talk) 03:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposal: Remove several semantic properties from cosmetic item pages
Cosmetic items currently have semantic properties for creator, releasedate, availability, tradeable, nameable, and strangecounter. I believe these were created with neither consensus nor purpose. To the best of my knowledge these properties are used nowhere on the wiki. Because they are poorly formatted, they are also responsible for some SMW errors. Many properties are out-of-date. I propose removing these properties. To be clear, I do not propose removing the information from the infoboxes, but only removing the semantic information from the pages. Please correct me if anybody knows of any usage of these properties. --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 01:16, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree - been thinking about removing outdated properties for a long time, I just have no idea how to do it.... does it involve editing the template? - Lemoncream (talk) 02:29, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * . I checked for usage by doing queries like this this. This affects a lot of pages. I don't know how long it will take to complete. Hopefully no side effects, but you never know for sure. --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposal: Audit and remove unused MediaWiki extensions
We should not keep unused MediaWiki extensions. Some may introduce unnecessary security vulnerabilities. Some create complexity. Some unmaintained extensions might eventually cause maintainability problems. I'm not sure that the following are unused, but it would be good to check.


 * W4G Rating Bar
 * CommunityVoice and ClientSide, if Community Guides are removed
 * StringFunctions, since it's almost entirely replaced by ParserFunctions and magic words
 * FlashMP3
 * Either MediawikiPlayer or EmbedVideo

--Kroocsiogsi (talk) 01:35, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Audit is . My notes are at Dota_2_Wiki:Technical_requests. --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 00:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Equipment lists are getting ridiculous
First we had all equipment on one page. Yes, a page with images of and links to literally every piece of equipment in Dota 2. Unsurprisingly, the page broke. Then we had Hero_equipment_A_through_J. It also broke. (Check the bottom of the page.) Now we have Hero_equipment_A_through_C. As soon as it gets so big it breaks the wiki, it gets subdivided. This solution is unsustainable. Does anybody even use this navigational system? Do people like looking at giant galleries of equipment arranged alphabetically by hero? It's burdensome, and it's bizarre. Can we pretty please ditch it? --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 08:50, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I must say I did use those pages a very long time ago, well before I began editing the wiki, but that was only because I wanted to count how many heroes had equipment at the time. Now the 'Categories' section of the Equipment page has it built in, listing 92 heroes. I'm all for removing clutter, so I vote delete.
 * --PimpadelicX (talk) 09:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Replacement system is . Visible at Equipment. Improvements welcome. --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 00:54, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Treasure Key infobox versus Cosmetic Item infobox
Template:Treasure Key infobox is a lightly customized version of Template:Cosmetic Item infobox. Some keys use one, some use another. I don't care which, but it should probably be standardized. I'm not sure why keys have their own infobox. What about chests, etc? --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 21:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Might as well just use the cosmetic item one... Valve has phased out most of the treasure keys except for the original one anyway. - Lemoncream (talk) 22:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * . --Kroocsiogsi (talk) 01:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)