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sound files
I am not entirely sure if this is the right spot for this to ask, but is there a general summary of sound files on here? not only hero specific responses but all sound files?

thanks — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.224.63.172 (talk) • (contribs) 19 March 2013
 * Category:Lists of responses lists them all. - RJ 18:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Upcoming changes - migration onto Gamepedia platform
Hey guys. Curse have been moving to their existing wiki's to their Gamepedia platform, and we are scheduled to be moved on to that platform in the next 4-6 weeks.

On the front-end this will manifest itself with two major changes:
 * Our domain will change to dota2.gamepedia.com, and our existing domain will act as a forwarder.
 * The MediaWiki accounts system will be replaced with a unified Curse.com account system.
 * Instructions on how to merge your MediaWiki and Curse account will be released once the migration is complete. It is possible your username could be taken, so make sure you register or recover your Curse.com account as soon as possible.

On the back-end the Gamepedia platform is a lot better for resource and extension management, which means the wiki's performance will improve and any technical requests we make will be dealt with quicker.

Any questions, throw them below. - RJ 19:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * By forwarded do you mean a 302 or just a simple A record/CNAME on the dota2wiki.com record. Please be meaning the latter. Please. -- Lagg User Lagg optf2 icon.png 21:49, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 302, but I have since asked for the latter. - RJ 23:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * We now have Dota 2 Wiki:Gamepedia detailing the changes, and it will be linked to from a sitenotice 2 weeks prior to the migration. - RJ 18:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Demonstration videos
Hey guys. I've set up a dictionary and the necessary templates to display demonstration videos on relevant pages, with DotaCinema's video links as a place-holder for now. Reading the previous discussion about showing DotaCinema's videos nobody was overly against it, but the reasons against were: 1) A big video-block detracts from the page's quality/readability/conciseness. 2) The Wiki should be an independent resource and shouldn't favour any particular entity's content.

With regards to #1, we can add some javascript and a collapsible table that tracks per-user whether that user wants video-blocks open or collapsed and automagically collapse or show video-blocks across the Wiki accordingly; but we also need to figure out where on pages we should show that video-block. I have the demonstration system set up right now for Hero introductions and courier previews, for courier previews it can just go above the gallery - those pages don't have a ton of content, but for hero pages the placement is a bit more important - I think the two main places it could belong is collapsed by default and above hero abilities; or not collapsed by default and below hero abilities.

With regards to point #2, I think this is a valid concern and I agree we do not want to open the gates to any average joe using their own video; on the TF2 Wiki we produce our own videos because of that fact, but here we don't have the resources to do that so I think the next best thing is partnering with somebody and strictly sticking with them. Arguments for showing these videos would be that they're super useful and making these videos more accessible, by adding them to the Wiki, would be of great benefit to our visitors. Arguments for going with DotaCinema is that their videos are arguably the most appropriate for the Wiki - they're short, concise, of great quality, and DotaCinema has the largest collection of these short videos, and they're all in a consistent format.

So, given the last discussion seemingly fell quiet with no clear consensus either way, I think the topic is worth us revisiting; and I won't be rolling out these videos until we've resolved whether or not we should actually have them. If we end up deciding we do want these videos and we want DotaCinema providing them, I'll get in contact with DotaCinema and make sure they are OK with us using their videos before I implement them onto our pages.

Please throw your opinions below: - RJ 19:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

We should have video blocks on pages?

 * I think hero overviews are a great resource for the community and us making them more accessible will end up being greatly useful for our visitors. The cosmetic/courier videos only really show animations/particle effects better than we are capable of doing with only static images, and they won't detract from cosmetic pages so I don't see a problem with having those either. - RJ 19:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * on hero overview pages - videos are far more capable of explaining concepts than written text. If a picture says a thousand words, a one second clips says thirty thousand words. on the cosmetic/courier videos, as I think that that section needs a major overhaul where videos do not necessarily fit. -  Hef aistus  21:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

DotaCinema?

 * As said above, I think they're the best quality and in the most appropriate format from the community so far. - RJ 19:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I also think that DotaCinema provides guides that currently of the highest quality available. On top of that, they already have quite a following in the community, which should help with acceptation during and after integration. - Hef aistus  21:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Placement on hero pages

 * I think collapsed above-abilities is probably the best place to put them. Having it collapsed will mean it doesn't visually detract from the rest of the page, but having it near the top of the page will make it more noticable and more likely to be seen and watched by those who wish to watch the videos. - RJ  19:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've placed some examples here User:RJackson/Video_examples; the above-abiltiites one being collapsible and collapsed by default, the other two not being collapsible at all. - RJ 21:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that it would be best to put them above the abilities. People that only need general information will then find it speedily, while those looking for more in-depth information would go through the trouble of scrolling for the abilities anyway. That being said, I think that the current 'hide'-implementation needs to be reconsidered, because it currently is rather counter-intuitive with it being right next to the '[edit]'-tag that is closer to the section than 'show'. Heck, put it in a table much alike equipment if there's no other way, but I can't see the current implementation working very well. - Hef aistus  21:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)