Talk:Aghanim's Scepter

The Greeviling (update)
As per of Frostivious, random items are given to random heroes, so once in a while, a hero who does not use the Scepter will aquire it. Can it be given to another hero, and still work? ~Anon, 31.12.2012 20:00 UTC+1.

Licenscing general
Valve probably isn't going to use the word Aghanim (it's from the zelda series) so I've been using Ultimate Scepter in all references. Do we have any sort of guide for this sort of thing yet? Func door 15:53, 30 August 2011 (CDT)
 * The guide for item names is to stick to however they're named in-game, which limits us for items with names we don't know. Where did you get the "Ultimate Scepter" name?  If there's a credible source for that name then feel free to move the page - just hover over the arrow next to "View history" and they'll be the option to move in there. RJackson 16:21, 30 August 2011 (CDT)
 * Until we have reasonable evidence, we should fall back to DotA names. Image names don't count. -Lancey 16:24, 30 August 2011 (CDT)
 * They could've kept it perfectly, the Zelda mage is Agahnim not Aghanim, so it's more of a parody/tribute, there should be no problem (unless they really change the name) ChocolateWaffle 17:25, 30 August 2011 (CDT)

Ultimate
What hero *doesn't* benefit their ult from the septer?Ssmeek 21:31, 12 September 2011 (CDT)
 * Only a bunch of heroes get an ultimate upgrade, check each hero's profile or the playdota page. -ChocolateWaffle 23:54, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

Cannot drop
Maybe add a note to list of all heroes that cannot drop the scepter once it is acquired? 69.183.223.75 20:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

6.86
Are there plans of updating the article with the patch 6.86 changes?--Adunaii (talk) 00:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * We always update every page to the newest patch. We're just low on editors and time... feel free to help! - Lemoncake  (talk) 00:45, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Done!--Adunaii (talk) 03:13, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help - Lemoncake  (talk) 03:16, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Recommended heroes
It's not easy to controvert admins but this time I definitely should. What is the reason to undo last changes to "Recommended heroes"? First point is that about half of the current list is outdated as hell (Meepo, SF, Necro, NS etc). Second point is that there is no much sense to prohibit to move some supports from footer table to main list, while other supports (Ench, Pudge, SK, Techies) listed and there is enough space (14 heroes for the moment that can/should be cuted to like 10-11).185.189.101.10


 * No sense in removing content just because the item isn't meta at the moment, it's better for heroes like Shadow Fiend to stay. Ench Pudge SK Techies are typically roamers, not pos 5 style supports. Article should also promote positive itemization, and having KOTL in Recommended Heroes is poor as not everyone's team can do a GH-style KOTL. Sanhard (talk) 18:16, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The item is not in the "meta" for some heroes not because of "meta" changed itself, but because of heroes changed - NS passive, Necro ult etc. And there is no way wasting 4k gold and item slot just for one ability cool-down reduction is positive itemization (and TI proved it). As well as SF (for example) AgS never was "meta", literally never. I'm kinda agree about 4/5 pos supports (though KoTL is not 5, as well as NS, Visage etc), but when some of them mentioned while others (and much better AgS holders) ignored - it looks weird, to say the least.


 * I want to add that this is all very subjective and even hard facts such as dotabuff popularity/winrate aren't necessarily favourable. For my part, I believe that NS and Necro aghs are still very helpful if not mandatory. Ench, Techies, SK, Pudge are very greedy supports/offlaners/roamers that snowball hard with Aghs if they get it early. Look at the top Aghs list from Sunsfan, it's very controversial. I wouldn't know where I'd make the cut for a top 10.
 * Furthermore if changes are reverted, it could be that the formatting/grammar does not reach the threshold for acceptance (not the case here). Molldust (talk) 20:35, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, I'm done, you got the upper hand. If Necro/SF/Meepo are helpful/mandatory/positive, while KoTL/Disruptor aren't - we are in different worlds talking about different games...185.189.101.10


 * I didn't mention SF/Meepo/KotL/Disruptor? Necro reaper on a 25 sec cooldown is insane strong for endgame. Molldust (talk) 07:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

alchemist
The article says alchemist gain a new ability, that would be melting the scepter to give it to an ally. This is an item ability, not a hero ability. Is it really true that Aghanim's Scepter only gain this ability for alchemist once he has it in his inventory? Or does the aghanim's scepter already have this ability for alchemist before he has it in his inventory? 87.167.20.25 13:22, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's Alchemist's inner ability, which adds ability to Aghanim's Scepter to give it's bonuses to someone. Medok  14:06, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * So it's not the scepter that gives Alchemist the ability, that's exactly what I thought. I will correct the article to include Alchemist as hero who is not granted an ability upgrade or new ability by Aghanim's scepter. Because it's an ability he has anyway even without Scepter. 87.167.20.25 15:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)