Talk:Ancient Apparition

Initiator
I still don't understand why people put so much emphasis on AA's initiation abilities. His ulti might sound good on paper, but in real games during team clashes, hitting more that 1-2 heroes close-up is almost impossible. The damage is also not that great. He's just not in the same league as heroes like ES, Tidehunter, Enigma, Kunkka etc.--XRdR 00:54, 26 September 2011 (CDT)
 * We should choose what degree of precision we want when defining role. The way you say it is "only put it if it's his main role and he does it perfectly" but maybe it should be more like "he is able to do this and that". -ChocolateWaffle 01:23, 26 September 2011 (CDT)
 * The thing is: AA is a much better ganker and support than initiator. That's why I changed his role from initiator to ganker. But he can initiate nevertheless... under certain conditions. AA is a very complex hero it's hard to define all his roles in just one word. If a newbie player comes here and sees him as an initiator I don't know what's he's going to think. May be adding Primary roles/sub-roles/secondary roles will help. --XRdR 01:55, 26 September 2011 (CDT)
 * See, in Dota 2, each Hero has a given role that's pretty much just flavor text. It doesn't provide you with much more info than "he can do this." It shows up on the selection screen and it's relevant information. I'm not in beta and I can't just look up what each Hero's role is, so I end up guessing. -Lancey 11:58, 26 September 2011 (CDT)
 * Nevermind that apparently I can just look them up! -Lancey 13:05, 26 September 2011 (CDT)
 * Now that you mention it I noticed them too. I'm a bit disturbed though. Shadow Shaman - pusher? Double facepalm.--XRdR 09:11, 27 September 2011 (CDT)
 * It may be a beta thing though, and be subject to change, some of the roles aren't...ideal. -ChocolateWaffle 11:28, 27 September 2011 (CDT)

Need to rewrite (again)
I'll just list out problems I had with the rewrite of this article (because it badly needed to be changed, right?)


 * Highly subjective
 * Un-wiki-like language ("The second reason for this")
 * Very short introduction
 * Constant grammatical errors
 * Inappropriate use of formatting (bold text and italics)

Discuss below -Lancey 23:48, 5 October 2011 (CDT)


 * Total rewrite? No. I like it that way. Polish and fix? Yes. We should also replace bolded text in gameplay section, with links to corresponding pages explaining these terms.--XRdR 00:05, 6 October 2011 (CDT)


 * I'm removing the formatting regardless. And putting back his role. -Lancey 10:09, 6 October 2011 (CDT)


 * Am I that bad? :( Anyway, it was my first time editing so its ok. However, the reason I put those specific words in bold is because they are the "key" points of AA. Also, there seems to be a bug with the skill box of his ultimate; The description is too much on the left. Since I am clueless to how the formatting works here, ill leave it to someone else. Another question: How do we create a page? I would have made a page describing all of those bolded words but I didnt know how.--Nuxar 11:06, 6 October 2011 (CDT)


 * You can add pages by either following a link that goes nowhere and editing the page, or by using the search function and looking for a page with the name you want to create. For example, if I wanted to make a page for "Ganker", I would just search for Ganker. -Lancey 11:12, 6 October 2011 (CDT)

Shatter
Some of the information cant be correct, if the shatter would purge all buffs and do 100000000 physical damage, that would be kinda like Axe's ulti, which isnt blocked by shallow grave, so it should go through.

Counterpick?
Doesn't Ice blast make AA a perfect counter to Necrolyte? Necrolyte is only tanky if he can spam death pulse so if he can't heal, he's just as paper as any other int hero.

Recommended Items Broken
I'm not sure if this is where this goes, but the recommended items section's formatting is messed up.