Talk:Pudge/Counters

Wtf is this page?

Legion Commander and Axe are not counters to Pudge. It's said that 'Pudge has slow attack speed' but it's juts better for him since LC's and Axe's counterattacks are gonna proc less often.

'Necrophos's Heartstopper passive can wear down your HP incredibly fast as it deals percentage damage based on total health' - uhm, since is deals %-based dmg, it can kill Pudge as fast as any other hero, no matter how many hp they have, so I don't understand why it says 'incredibly fast'.

'All of zeus' abilities have either long casting animations or are too low damage to do any significant damage' - oh really, are you talking about that Zeus who is one of the strongest casters in Dota?

'Pugna is a very weak hero and abilities like his nether ward and nether blast are all but useless as they are a delayed counter' - same here... Pugna is far from being a weak hero... And his abilities are even further from being useless.

Also there are some mistakes there. Pls fix

Sincerely, Anonymous reader. 79.240.236.107 15:01, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * This page's history shows it was written by one random guy who barely speaks English. I don't have time to write and fact check every hero's counters page. The wiki is a community project, so feel free help us rewrite it! - Lemoncake  (talk) 15:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer, I think I'm gonna sign up today and start editing. Btw I think counters should be discussed by community and only then added to the page itself by wiki mods to avoid editing wars between users who have different opinions. Thanks again, have a nice day. 79.240.236.107 15:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

reason for changes
Pugna does not become a counter only because there is one disadvantage under once special circumstance, actually Decrepify makes Pudge much more vulnerable to magical damage than Pugna, taking away much of his usualy tankiness. Also Pudge's low attack speed means that he will often have a hard time killing Pugna's Nether Ward.

The same goes for Axe (insufficient reasoning in the article); Pudge is usually not farming in lane against Axe, as Axe is offlaner or jungler (rarely safelaner) and Pudge is mid or roamer and he anyway tries to hook him under his tower or to his allies, not into the creepwave. So Axe will mostly not be able to get many Counter Helix procs and even in case he should get them, Pudge's high health pool allows him to tank more of them then most other heroes.

Heroes that Axe is good against are rather Sniper and Zeus due to their weakness once dragged in the middle of the combat and Spectre, as Pudge's stunlock does not allow her to escape with Haunt and as he can easily tank the damage reflected by Dispersion due to his high health, magic resistance and heal from Dismember. Also he can hook her if she tries to escape into trees orr over cliffs with Spectral Dagger.

For this reason i will remove Pugna and Axe from the counters list and replace them with Zeus and Spectre.

84.139.162.141 19:26, 3 February 2017 (UTC)