Talk:Crystal Maiden/Lore

Why would you put something like Ancient Apparition having a crush on CM "unbeknownst to her". Ridiculous. What kind of weird shipping is this? Take it to your weird fanfic sites and not on the Dota 2 wiki.
 * Because Monkey King says it. Most refs are off the cuff quips and they count as canon. This is not a fanfic site and I don't add "ships" to the lore pages. - Lemoncake  (talk) 01:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

-- It's obviously a joke, it's interesting how you say that it's canon. Monkey king makes several jokes like this because he's supposed to be kind of a jokester. If you think that's canon, you should go edit that Monkey King has a crush on Luna because he wants to go on a moonlit walk with her, he should have a crush on Lina because he wants Crystal Maiden to introduce her to Lina, crush on Vengeful spirit because he "likes a lady that goes after what she wants". He is making a joke that since Ancient Apparition is a creature based on ice, he should be making better "ice puns" to woo Crystal Maiden. As they both have ice based abilities, they would technically "fit" in the element. Not at all in reality. This is obviously a joke since Ancient Apparition is an ancient being created from the cold void, waiting for the eventual end of matter. If you have met these kinds of personalities in real life, Ancient Apparition is the prime example of a stoic stone-cold serious person that a funny romance based quip like this would fit on, but the reaction would be nonchalant or even nonexistent. It's a trope. What you are trying to make it is a romance between a human girl and the image of the end of the world. How Monkey King's joke even slightly gave you this impression, I have absolutely no idea. Similar things have been done with Wraith King and Queen of Pain to a lesser extent, based on a joke made by Monkey King. Most references make sense, this, does not. For me, this is absolutely shipping.

-- But you may leave it there if you wish to, I don't really mind it. Just voicing my opinion on the matter. And if it was canon in a way that even I would accept it as reality, it would be very weird. Just saying. -- Also don't really edit that MK has a crush on them, or else I will make another long paragraph of disagreement.


 * A lot of Dota 2 lore is silly and based on hero one liners/puns, I decide which is or isn't just a joke. The line for AA is too specific and mentions a relationship, which I always include as lore. Monkey King's lore page already notes that he flirts with the female heroes, which is also canon. - Lemoncake  (talk) 02:40, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

-- Then perhaps a little bit of reading comprehension is in line. The voiceline starts with "if you're ever gonna", which does not refer to Ancient Apparition ever expressing himself in a way that he would "want to go on a date" with Crystal Maiden. It is pure speculation on behalf of Monkey King. Similar to taking Puck's voiceline "Excellent, an apparition of exceptional age. What I wonder can it teach me.", and marking Ancient Apparition as Puck's teacher.


 * It says that date, sounds like something that was known or discussed before. Not comparable to Puck's line. The reference stays. - Lemoncake  (talk) 05:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)