Talk:Attack Damage

General talk
Ursa's Enrage description is outdated.


 * Removed Enrage. Next time, just remove it yourself, instead of pointing it out here. Bu3ny (talk) 20:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Aren't bashes and invisibility abilities providing backstab damage also sources of flat damage bonus?


 * No, they are not. If that would be the case, they all could cleave/crit/lifesteal. Although they are summed into one instance in some cases, they are still treated differently. Bu3ny (talk) 01:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


 * And what about Lifestealer's Feast?


 * Needs some testing first. Does it exactly behave like raw damage bonuses? If yes, add it, if no, don't add it. According to the changelog, it should behave like lets say Double Damage. But I won't draw conclusions from changelogs, but test it first. For example, I did test it with Quelling Blade before adding. It does behave like a raw bonus since 6.84. Bu3ny (talk) 13:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

What about adding Ember Spirit's Sleight of Fist and Kunkka's Tidebringer? Psion1C (talk) 23:50, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Tidebringer, yes. Sleight of Fist, no. SoF isn't registered as attacks (e.g. doesn't proc counter helix/reactive armor/etc). Bu3ny (talk) 02:55, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

What about adding abilities like crits and Bounty Hunter's Shadow Walk? --Psion1C (talk) 13:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * BH's Shadow Walk and Vendetta don't add attack damage. They deal their damage in a separate instance. Only Shadow Blade, Silver Edge and Wind Walk directly add to attack damage.  Bu3ny  (talk) 14:02, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * And what about adding crits? --Psion1C (talk) 14:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Crits are multiplier, not damage bonuses.  Bu3ny  (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Manabreak
I struggle a lot with the definitions here, so I might have missed a few things. How does Manabreak get into the final damage formula. It is was a flat bonus, it would crit (but it does not). If it was added after reductions/blocks/crit, it wouldn't be reduced by Enfeeble or Static Link (but it is). Molldust (talk) 13:41, 27 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Mana breaks, along with many other attack modifier which add their dmg on the attack damage, are special cases. They simply count as flat damage bonuses, but their potion is simply not included in crits/cleaves/lifesteal. Note though that the damage type of these do not matter either. For example, MKB acts exactly like them as well, but it's magical damage. I'd say the best thing would be to make a 3rd category under "Attack damage increasing abilities" and make a list for all these there. It would require some ingame testing to see which ones act like this and ones act like regular attack damage bonus. I know that Nethertoxin and Feast are like regular bonuses so they can crit and stuff, but Backstab from Riki, and all the bashes cannot.  Bu3ny  (talk) 13:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)