Talk:Unique Attack Modifier

DotA 1 discrepancy
I noticed a discrepancy adds confusion to article. Before I get into that I want to point out that the wording throughout the article is occasionally confusing and can be improved upon. Some concepts are not conveyed as clearly as they should be.

"Note that in Dota 2, unlike DotA, Mjollnir and Maelstrom, will override other orb effects whenever they proc, meaning they can be stacked[with what, exactly]." (this states that Mjollnir and Maelstrom stack with other orb effects, right? Should add the words "with other Orb effects." to the end of that statement imo)

"Buff placers that are not Orb Effects will stack with Orb Effects, but not with each other[try "but not with other buff placers"]. For example, Lifesteal from Helm of the Dominator will stack with Orb of Venom, which is a Buff Placer only, but not with Desolator or Maelstrom, which both contain Orb Effects." (Is this stating that Helm of the Dominator won't stack with desolator or maelstrom? If so, that contradicts what the first statement stated, that Mjollnir/Maelstrom stack with other orb effects. Needs clarification)

"There are several exceptions to this, however. Mjollnir and Maelstrom currently will work with other orbs, overriding them whenever the chain lightning occurs." (This again states that Mjollnir/Maelstrom stack with other orbs)


 * Maelstrom and Mjollnir do stack with other orbs, I created the article from DotA experience without knowing the changes that were made in Dota 2. Thanks for pointing this out. Also, orb of venom is an orb effect now. I'll change it soonish. -Baloroth 18:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Removing Buff Placers
Buff Placers now stack with each other. Orbs that apply buffs are still cancelled by other orbs, but will work with other buff placers, e.g. Desolator stacks with Skadi but not with Satanic. We should remove this section because they don't really matter anymore. -Lancey 22:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Geminate
Geminate is not an UAM anymore afaik. The second attack will override UAM's, but other attacks (including first one of geminate) will get modified.

Orb Walk
Unless the meaning has changed in recnt years, I'm almost certain that Orb Walking does not employ manually using your orb to harass without drawing creep aggro. For as long as I've been playing this game I've known orb walking as canceling a hero's backswing immediately after using an orb attack, giving thyr impression that they can walk and orb simultaneously. Hence: "Orb Walk"

Difference Between UAM and Similar Effects
It could be beneficial to add a section about what distinguishes a UAM from something very similar such as Geminate or Liquid Fire. I would do it, however I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough about this mechanic to do it myself.

Lifesteal Stacking
The page implies that if I have two items providing Lifesteal orbs of different amounts, such as Satanic (25%) and Mask of Madness (20%), the first one purchased will override. In fact, the highest value is used, so in this case I should always get 25% lifesteal (or 175% when using Satanic's active ability Unholy Rage), regardless of which was picked up first. Along the same lines, I wonder which would take priority if both Maelstrom and Mjollnir procced their Chain Lightning on the same attack, or which would take priority if I had both Diffusal Blade level 1 and Diffusal Blade level 2.

Forged Spirit
How do we know that Forged Spirit Melting Strike is an UAM? It can't be obtained by Doom, Forged Spirits can't hold items and no aura/buffs provides UAM. Molldust (talk) 11:44, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Info based on DotA1. Should probably be removed, until someone can actually prove it.  Bu3ny  (talk) 12:57, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Orb of Venom
So the OoV is no longer UAM (get it on antimage and wreck lane), but it's still used as icon for all UAMs. Time to change it to deso? --DymCx (talk) 18:33, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Prediction for the next patch: the desolator will be no longer a UAM. This might look confusing at the first glance, but I'm fine OoV remaining the UAM symbol for the foreseeable future. I connect deso strongly with minus armor, lifesteal UAMs are meh, maelström/mjollnir is proc based only (so still viable to stack with other UAMs) and betting on hero UAMs is comparable to playing roulette. If anything, I suggest switching to skaadi. Molldust (talk) 20:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * But you can couple every lifesteal UAM with Skadi unlike Desolator, so Deso is a better symbol for it -DymCx (talk) 16:23, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


 * So could you do with OoV. But in the end, it doesn't even matter. Eventually it will be changed. Molldust (talk) 16:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about using Skadi already anyway. Tried it with Deso, it doesn't do well with that size. This should be fine for now.  Bu3ny  (talk) 20:29, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Now Skadi is no longer an UAM. Time to change to Deso I guess?--Ikenaikoto (talk) 04:03, 12 December 2016 (UTC)