User talk:Lemoncream

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Sniper's core items section
Hi.

How can be Desolator and Mask of Madness/Satanic in core items section simultaneously? And what is general recommendation to core items section for heroes ? I'm talking about not only items itself (like BKB for Sven, which I'm 100% agree with; and Vladmir + Aghanim for Lone Druid which I'm completely disagree with for both current 7.* patch and previous patch) - but amount of items that we can mention in core section. For example there are mentioned 5 items (five, Carl!) in Sniper's section - not including boots, and that fills all 6 slots. :)


 * Hello, our items section are just recommended items, it does not that a player should buy every single one listed in a single match. Generally we list the most popular items on Dotabuff, please consider those statistics before adding any entries. Thank you ! - Lemoncake  (talk) 20:04, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for quick answer. Of course I know that it is only recommendation list, but there are should be some logic, don't you think? Some logic, some sinergy between items etc. I'm not insisting on smth, but may be we should've some general "rules" or approach to it. Just for example:
 * - amount of items (1-2 or up to 6);
 * - timing/cost (no way Daedalus is first/second item - it is always late game item);
 * - sinergy between items (no more than 1 UAM, no mix of different item builds - like new "ranged Lone Druid" build with old "Radiance bear" build) etc.


 * Dotabuff is a good source for new players (IMO, datdota was better before it died), but recommendations here differ from Dotabuff stats (for Sniper, Lone Druid and other heroes) and this stats can change from week to week.


 * Feel free to change the item order and add any notes about timing/synergy you wish to the description. I just don't want people adding uncommon items because they "think it might be good". No core item section has more than a few items, and I'd probably move them to the Situational items section if there were. - Lemoncake  (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I hate this stupid uncommon item builds too (sometimes even pro players choose it). :) OK, I'll change/move items to make it more general, thank you.

Languages
Main page names in other languages are different, so do it correct here correct too --Dark2Eagle (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Outworld Devourer items
Hi. OD's items section (in a main page) wasn't updated with new template and items section in "Guide" subcategory is empty. Can someone make needed replacements or is here any instruction how to do it ? Thank you.


 * I've only switched about 60 out of 113 heroes to the new template styles, I will get to OD eventually. Or if you would like to help me, you could copy the style from a hero who's already done (like Sven). - Lemoncake  (talk) 04:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about "Recommended Items" box - the old-style picture-like box instead of new-style text enumeration. But OK, I'll try to replace it, thank you.

Edits from not logged in users
Are edits from not logged in users are not wanted? So many edits are forbidden and even if it asks for the math equation and you answer it it just doesn't accept. Do you really have such a huge problem with vandalism? If you don't want edits from not logged in users just allow it only for logged in users. Although I think it's defeats the purpose of a Wiki where everyone should be able to edit. 178.2.47.140 22:04, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * There are no restrictions on IP edits except for a few spam filters and protected pages. What are you trying to edit? - Lemoncake  (talk) 22:43, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Just trying to save a page with no edits so the categories get updated in german wiki and says everytime I added new external links and asks for a captcha but never accepts or just ignores it. And deleting a section is also forbidden. Don't even know whats the point of this restriction. If I want to do vandalism I can just delete everything thats in the section except the heading. 178.10.246.43 20:20, 20 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't know what the point of this edit is. Are you getting filtered on German wiki or English wiki? The abuse logs show only a few people get blocked every few days, and most of the time it's justified. If you just want to refresh the page, you can click on the "More" tab on top and select "Refresh". That's the same thing as re-saving a page.You can also make an account and edit frequently. I can't remove the filter for new users posting external links because that would flood the wiki with advertising bots, sorry. - Lemoncake  (talk) 20:34, 20 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about the german wiki. I don't want that the external link restriciton is removed. I just want that the captcha that is asked is working. If you solve it and click save it will ask it again and again. And it detects that I added external links even if I try to save without any changes. So there is definitely something broken. You can try the Riki page of the german wiki. 178.10.246.43 22:09, 20 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I have some problems with edit too - I tried to contact Psion1C to note a mistake (dummy row in Armor granting items table), but both Armor page discussion and user Psion1C discussion are kind of restricted to edit - after pressing "Save page" button almost nothing happens and page doesn't contains new text.


 * Okay, I think I fixed it by adding css. Try editing now. If it still doesn't work then I will have to ask Curse. - Lemoncake  (talk) 05:17, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I fixed the armor page thing, I forgot to add "structure = hidden" to my sandbox (see ). Regarding the issues with editing pages, I have no idea what's the reason. --Psion1C (talk) 09:44, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you, but some pages still not accessible for edit - for example, OD's main page - I tried to change items section (to "new style" with strategy section), but got message "This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Large deletion of articles by new users". P.S. Psion1C, thank you.


 * I made the edit for you, thanks - Lemoncake  (talk) 11:58, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I highly recommend you to just create an account if you wanna keep editing the wiki in the future, unless ofc you have good reasons not to. It's way more convenient and easier, if you still encounter the problems you just described. --Psion1C (talk) 12:45, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I know, but I don't want any type of registrations, account etc. This wiki is favorably different from others (like TeamLiquid's) with allowing "anonumous" edits.

The problem is still present. The Riki page after you edited it can know be saved without the external link captcha but other pages like the Alchemist page still have the problem. 92.217.37.239 16:17, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't know then, it's a technical issue so I'll have to contact Curse about it. For me there is no captcha, even if I log out. It's possible this only happens for people with less than a number of edits. The best thing to do right now is probably make an account, that should resolve it until Curse takes a look at it. This does not seem to happen on English wiki, so maybe it's because of some settings issue. - Lemoncake  (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * No, it happens on English wiki (the only I use and edit) and I see no captcha - only stupid "your action identified as harmful" message.


 * There are two different issues here. Your problem is entirely different from the other IP editor's. I cannot remove the filter that stops people from blanking out entire sections, it would cause too much vandalism. - Lemoncake  (talk) 08:58, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * May be you are right, I'm not sure. But I cannot edit, for example, "Attack_damage" discussion page - and I'm not deleting anything, only trying to add note. I got "A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Global AF - Short unsigned post on talk page by unregistered user" - what I should do - make short 10 words sentence much longer? I completely agree with protection against vandalism/spam (not sure how much it is the problem for this wiki though), but it creates too negative side-effect.


 * That can fixed by simply signing your comments. Type ~ four times after your comment to sign it. - Lemoncake  (talk) 14:07, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you.176.113.122.107 15:02, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Is the problem investigated? It is still not possible to save articles with external links. Btw the seems to be a problem with semantic media wiki in the german wiki. Below the hero bio box and hero bailities there is a yellow warning triangle where it says "not a valid page name".94.218.170.181 18:18, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I cannot allow IPs to post external links, it would create too much spam. The yellow triangles are caused by pages and properties that have not been imported into German wiki. I will ask our German admins to look at it sometime. - Lemoncake  (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * So this captcha that is asked after trying to save a page is just a joke to make the editor angry when he try solve it and it is asked again and again. Here is the message from the wiki: Your edit includes new external links. To protect the wiki against automated spam, we kindly ask you to solve the simple sum below and enter the answer in the box in order to save your edit. 94.218.170.181 19:27, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The captcha is not because of external links, it is because of edits from an IP. Either way, it should not be behaving the way it is now. I've put in a request with Curse's technical people, it is up to them to resolve the issue. - Lemoncake  (talk) 19:30, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Just wanna make sure something, can you pls give us an example sum from the captcha you tried to solve, and your result? --Psion1C (talk) 19:43, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * here is one: 20-9 = . I wrote in the answer field 11 and pressed save page and it asked me again a new sum 94.218.168.204 14:55, 29 March 2017 (UTC)