Talk:Mars/Counters

Vengeful Spirit's only have 700 cast range in level 6. Mar's has a radius of 550(Diameter :1100) and his abilities can push the enemies into "walls". Even Vengeful Spirit get max level Swap, it is almost impossible to swap someone out. Compared with Mar's health pool, the magical damage of is too poor. VS is not practical counter of Mars. According to Dotabuff, Mars is one of the best VS counter practiaclly.神乐坂桐樱 (talk)

I agree that Vengeful Spirit is not really a counter to Mars, but not with the points presented here. Saying it's almost impossible to use to swap someone out just by comparing the radius and ranges is pointless. Let's analyse how is usually used: Mars uses it to split the enemy team (let's assume VS is outside the arena). He uses to push someone into the walls, which is quite likely to be the side of the arena VS is near to, since Mars usually initiates from the front due to his playstyle with. It is not very possible to swap someone out, and potentially life-saving since the bulk of Mars' damage comes from and the repeated knockbacks from the Arena walls when you're stuck to them. Arena of Blood is not a hard disable; it doesn't stop VS from walking around it to swap someone pushed to the opposite side (depending on follow up by Mars' team). (talk)