User talk:Bu3ny

Plasma Field
I removed that note because it was pointless. You don't mention something like that because a lot other skills interrupt channeling abilities, even other instant cast-timed skills like Hex, Invoke, Death Pulse, Scream of Pain, etc. You mention something if it DOESN'T interrupt channeling abilities. Because going by this logic, might as well put on every ability, not just Plasma Field, that it interrupts channeling abilities. Arbok77 (talk) 15:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not pointless... There are many spells with istant cast time which don't interrupt and many spell which do. It's about spells which have no targeting and instant cast time. So hex won't count. It's better to say that they don't, instead of making people guess if they do or don't. It's obvious that targeted spells interrupt, but not for instant casted non-targeted spells.Bu3ny (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

RECEIV CAEK


Thanks for makin' those sound sections! Lemoncake (talk) 17:39, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the cake :3 Bu3ny (talk) 19:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

a note to my edit battler
I'm the one that re-edited your edits to my edits.

Basically the reasons are as follows:


 * you are using e.g. and i.e. improperly (look here)


 * There is no reason to state that the mines are phased because the definition of phased is that the unit has no collision with units or heroes (this of course does not include buildings but that is inconsequential for mines and traps).
 * I dumbed it down to just say that they can be stacked in one spot without blocking unit pathing and is the essence of the point both of us were trying to get across but in far fewer words.
 * If you want to get fancy with knowledge, the only reason the mines have any collision is so they can be proximity triggered :D


 * regarding building dmg by mines and their armor, you should say something like "related to their basic armor" it should just be "dmg with their base armor" basic means base and it sounds bad.
 * also, the bold note that the damage values were pulled from the battle log needs to stay as people try to figure the whole "buildings have fortified armor" calculation into it and dota 2 doesnt have these types of armor, they just have physical, pure, and magic dmg with armor, magic resistance, ethereal, and magic immune for damage state calculations


 * the respawn note for was way too large with the superfluous examples (you were the one that cited reducing walls of text but put that crap back in?). I cut it down to just the calculation priority which is all anyone needs to figure it out, examples need not apply.


 * Huge pet peeve here: there's no reason to cite "based on current cd, duration, blah blah blah" the note is based on the current skill... I think people can figure out that if you state you can have 52 remote mines (also an entry for stasis trap) it is based on the current duration and cool down.


 * someone needs to test the "no effect" bit of extra stasis traps being destroyed within the AoE, some people say the extra mines stun, some say they are destroyed to no effect. I'll try to test this this afternoon.

thanks for the techies edit battle, hope this clears things up and we can work together on this entry


 * Let's stick with e.g., because that's what has been used here mainly and is more known.


 * You edited to "the mines have no collision", which is simply wrong information. That was my only problem with that. And no, your reasoning for why units have collision size is wrong. They could have 0 collision and still could be triggered without any problems. The reason most likely is that Valve was just lazy and didn't set it to 0 (DOTA_HULL_SIZE_SMALL (which translate to a collision size of 8) is the default entry of that field in the "template" they use,).


 * No, we generally don't do such stuff as "values taken from combat log" or anything like that. Instead, just add another note saying that their damage is only reduced by armor value, not armor type. And regarding that, the armor page most likely needs an updated, too, because they probably are still copy-pasted from playdota and rewritten a bit, without actually making sure it works the same way in Dota2. So for now, I just add the note that they ignore armor type.


 * Sometimes it's better to give an example, but if you can word it so that it's not required, fine.


 * I was the one who updated every heroes', item and neutrals notes. And I ensure you, everything is based on tests made by me. You probably don't know me, but I'm basically the one who "manages" the gameplay bugs and critical test client bugs section on the devs forum and I'm doing this since early beta. It might be possible that some notes don't apply anymore, because I updated all the notes before 6.83 was released. But the stasis traps remained unchanged in that patch, so that note should still be correct. So I'll remove the bolded part.


 * My english isn't perfect, so I don't really mind if you reword stuff, as long as you don't change the context. Bu3ny (talk) 13:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

annoying
just so you know, toss is disjointable and flak cannon is not an attack so would never proc craggy

oh and the tower dmg toss does is too variable to fit it all into a note... lvl 1 toss lvl 0 grow = 25 and lvl 4 toss lvl 3 grow = 178 dmg and the game doesnt take into consideration partial damage values, check the battle log

No, Toss CANNOT be disjointed, it DOES home but flies for a limited amount of time. By your logic Snowball is disjointable, too. They are not. and Flak Cannon DOES count as attacks. You don't know its mechanics, I do. It uses the same mechanics as Split Shot, which are also attacks. Bu3ny (talk) 15:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

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===== Yes, Toss CAN be disjointed. Check this list: Projectile abilities that can be disjointed

It is much the same as Assassinate.

As far as Flak Cannon, I concede to your point. I was mentally confusing it with Rocket Barrage. Oh and I'd have to say you don't know the mechanics if you think Toss is not disjointable.

That list is wrong. It was blindly copied from DotA1 and never updated (I will update it soon, like how I updated many other things here which were just copypasted from DotA1). Assassinate is fully disjointable. The thing is, it provides true sight until the projectile hits. Slark and Smoke of Deceit can disjoint it with invis, because of true sight immunity. Also You can't compare it to Assassinate at all, because it does not home the target once disjointed. Toss does home the target for the 1.3 seconds. If the target gets further away, the speed the unit is flying with increases, capped at 3076,69, so it will only fly for up to 4000 range. You can see it here youtu.be/pTlewq2i9Tk

Also, Toss aoe damage is fixed. The 20% and the grow extra damage are applied to the tossed enemy unit only, which you can see here youtu.be/LoyNff8g9lI (Youtube links get filtered as spam, so I can't directly link them) Bu3ny (talk) 16:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I concede toss tower dmg and potentially the disjoint but will test this afternoon to ensure.

==== P.s. next time, provide the proof to start with instead of just being an ass and undo'ing the change oh and I modified the toss tower dmg shown to be a flat value, as you proved it is not actually 33% of the skills dmg but a flat value.


 * Lol, it was you who changed them without any proves. Who is the ass here? And math. 33% of 75/150/225/300 is 25/50/75/100. It is determined by the % value, so if Toss damage would get buffed or nerfed, tower damage value adapts accordingly. Bu3ny (talk) 17:26, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Proof, not proves "who is the ass here?" you answered your own question with that lol.

and it's not a %, if it were 33% then it would change as toss damage is modified by grow and aghanim's scepter making a total possible tower dmg of 178 and with lvl 4 toss, lvl 3 grow it would be 163 dmg to towers (no scepter). You, in fact, proved this one wrong with your youtube video and are now making an ass of yourself. :) oh, and if it is a flat value for lvl 1/2/3/4 (25/50/75/100) no mater what grow's level is, as you stated before, and toss dmg is modified in the future then you would update the damage and the percentage would have no affect on the result of toss dmg being modified.


 * I'll say it again and clearly so Germans can understand Toss ist nicht 33 Prozent Schaden, weil es 25/50/75/100 pro den Ebenen der Toss unabhängig davon, welche Ebene wachsen, die ist MODIFIES TOSS SCHADEN

Toss is not 33 percent damage because it is 25/50/75/100 per the levels of Toss regardless of what level grow is WHICH MODIFIES TOSS DAMAGE

Are you nuts?

The building damage has NOTHING to do with grow or the 20% extra damage the tossed unit takes. The 20% (40%/60%/80% from aghs) extra damage is applied TO THE TOSSED UNIT ONLY. The aoe damage is ALWAYS 75/150/225/300 and for buildings it's 33% of that. And now fuck off, or I report you for putting wrong infos in the wiki.

That isnt how the skill is displayed in game or in the description. I guess I'll have to test this as well. I've already reported you so that's fine.

New Editors
Please be nicer to new editors. - Lemoncake  (talk) 18:58, 30 December 2014 (UTC)