User talk:Kroocsiogsi

Template:VoiceNav and Template:John_Patrick_Lowrie

 * VoiceNav should be an actual navigation, and it's current content in Template:VoiceNav/item.
 * Thanks. Fixed. --Kroocsiogsi
 * I also don't see the point of Template:John_Patrick_Lowrie - doing that for every voice actor is going to be laborious
 * Not at all. There aren't that many. I will create all the templates, and they are a cinch to maintain. --Kroocsiogsi
 * and I don't think there is much reason for it - all of that information can be easily contained in a page about John Patrick Lowrie - and it doesn't need to be on any other pages. - RJ 11:15, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Surely it's more elegant than what it replaces? --Kroocsiogsi 19:19, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't like it... would prefer it being just a piece of trivia - we don't need everything in a template. I'd be curious to hear what other people think though, maybe I'm the only one who isn't a fan. :p - RJ 19:34, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * But a template makes it so much easier to maintain! Maybe there's a design change that'd change your mind? Remove the pictures to make it cleaner? --Kroocsiogsi
 * I think it all can be merged into one template. Will try when i wake up tomorrow. Redefining history 19:46, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's an interesting possibility. If I'm thinking of the same thing you are, one disadvantage would be that the title of the NavBox couldn't have an individual actor, so readers would need to expand the NavBox to find the single most important piece of information. -Kroocsiogsi
 * It can have different titles imo. Try  Redefining history 19:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Try transferring all your content to Template:VoiceNav I created. Redefining history 20:14, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, give me a minute. I'm almost done with the content. --Kroocsiogsi
 * Ah. We were not thinking along the same lines. Now I see what you're doing, but I fail to see the point. You're swapping out the entire content of the template depending on which voice actor is provided. Seems needlessly complex to me. -Kroocsiogsi
 * Imo that would be better, such that everything would be compressed into one template. Idk though. Redefining history 20:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyways I need some sleep first. 3:30 AM here. Bye. Redefining history 20:34, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Ad Code
It's fine to let me know you feel the ad code is too long, although there is no point to spamming my talk page with 250,000+ characters for something I can see without your assistance. - ♫  BUM  BLE  06:53, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was rude of me. I was trying to make an impression. --Kroocsiogsi 20:34, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Axe Jon St. John

 * Staff note - these are confirmed. Nothing to see here. -Lancey 06:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * How do you explain this?
 * Line 42094: //dota/staging/content/dota/sound/vo/Jen_Taylor_2010-07-26/Morphling/Selects/mrph_shitwiz_01.wav#1 - branch change 984463 (binary)
 * --Kroocsiogsi 20:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant. There's no credited voice actor for Axe, therefore we're going with the one mentioned in the files. -Lancey 23:02, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. --Kroocsiogsi

You talked to the wrong person
The guy changing recommended items is User talk:Nightmare not User talk:Nero0408. Redefining history 07:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops. Fixed. Thanks. --Kroocsiogsi

Run on every language
If you are going to ask RJ to run this User:Kroocsiogsi/RBotson, can you ask him to run it on every language? Thanks. Redefining history 08:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

"cast"
Yeah I manually replaced all double-byte "cast" into single-byte ones. You can now ask RJ to run the bot on zh pages again. Redefining history 05:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Question about unreleased hero responses
If I may ask the question, how did you get Invoker's responses?

I saw Phantom Assassin's responses long ago, tried to find it in the game files, but didn't find neither PAs (who has responses listed) nor Bane (who not only has them listed, but also uploaded).


 * --Shalafi 22:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Phantom Assassin's responses are just taken from her subtitle files. Bane's audio was in game at one point, and has been removed since. Invoker, too, is just subtitles. -Lancey 23:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Check in Steam\steamapps\common\dota 2 beta\dota\resource. All the subtitle files are listed there, including Phantom Assassin, Bane, and Invoker. The sound files themselves are found inside the main VPK, under sound\vo. (Bane's responses have since been removed from this location; Invoker's and Phantom Assassin's responses have not yet appeared.) --Kroocsiogsi 00:28, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Ahh, that's what I was suspecting. It was the only logical explanation for Bane having sound files and not the rest. Thank you for the answers. -Shalafi 18:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Responses
Does the wiki let old revisions be saved as a new version? It didn't seem to notice it and the edit page didn't say anything about it either. - J.P. 01:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If I understand your question, it should warn you of an edit conflict and request that you manually merge your changes. I've seen it misfire once, so maybe it's a bug. --Kroocsiogsi 01:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There weren't any warnings, like i said. - J.P. 01:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, that's why I said "maybe it's a bug". :-D --Kroocsiogsi 01:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, i just wanted to point that out :D - J.P. 01:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback :)
Thanks for the feedback on my editing on the Juggernaut responses page. I had no idea someone was in charge of that area, or I would have asked before taking over the project as my own! Good to see you approve. And I'll definitely take on board your rules and suggestions with regard to the nonverbal sounds and unnecessary punctuation. Thanks again!

PS: Had no idea where to reply to your comments on my talk page, there or here. I'll try here and see what happens :P ~Cowbell 20:04, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

"Used in" and "Components"
Try to make those lines unclickable in the item pages if possible. Redefining history 05:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's easy. I'll do it in a second. I'm trying to figure out the excess padding right now. --Kroocsiogsi 05:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Partially blocked by Linken's/Magic Immunity
I think that when an ability is partially blocked then more details should be put inside the notes in addition to the tooltip, since not everyone can be expected to know that mousing over the little BKB icon will reveal more information, whereas the notes are obviously right there in the open. Said note should be at the top of the note list as well, in my opinion. Since you were the only one to modify things in such a way so far I figured I'd swing that by you. --Pigbuster 18:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good point. I'll revert my edits. --Kroocsiogsi 18:26, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Valve defined Roles/Items
I've took some time to read the chatlog today, and saw a discussion on this and here is my input.

While personally I disagree with some of Valve's roles/items, I also disagree on DP being a carry and the discussion would never end for which role would suit any particular hero best, that's why we leave it to Valve. For anyone who would want to express their own opinion on how to build on these heroes, we (will soon) have the guide section. Redefining history 09:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

JQuery stuff
User:Nickoladze/common.js - Works perfect except its stretching the image. I believe Mediawiki serves up a different URL for whatever size you want the image to be displayed (50px in this case), and I'm assigning that exact URL to the main image (100px in this case). Unsure of a way around this. Maybe we should have all the small images be 100px in wiki code, but style the table cell so the browser and not MediaWiki resizes them down to 50px on the fly? Ping me in IRC or say something on my talk page when you think about this. - Nickoladze 23:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I would do. --Kroocsiogsi 17:23, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

New extension bits
Take a look at User:Nickoladze/Sandbox/top5 and User:Nickoladze/Sandbox/top10 (grab my common.css again). This is what I've done, using the exact output that would come from my new extension templates and wrapping them in tables. The output from each contains some hardcoded stuff that I'm pretty sure I can't get around (the link to the page). The output kinda looks like this on both of them (the only difference between the two is the class ratingsfull or ratingsmini), repeated some number of times: STAR STUFF TITLE In both lists, the "0 / 5 (0 votes cast)" stuff is hidden, and votes cannot be cast. All my code changes are in a single modified file from the original extension, hopefully I can get it through Curse decently fast... This is all I can think of for now, mostly putting this here so I don't forget anything. - Nickoladze 05:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, somehow I seemed to have made that pages at Sandbox/top5 and Sandbox/top10. I was up too late. - Nickoladze 20:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Loops
Hi! Your engine are support cycles? On the other wiki-projects I've seen it. If not - how difficult bring them into code? Sorry for my broken English. :D --aUSS 08:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It can be installed. What do you want it for? --Kroocsiogsi 16:50, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I wanna try to make a simple record of tables with a set of items or abilities. --aUSS 17:13, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Russian Page Whitespace
I'm not entirely sure why, but the implementation of Hero infobox wrapper on the Russian hero pages added an extra carriage return of whitespace at the top of the pages that the English pages don't have. I've found that the whitespace can be fixed by changing this code:

Axe — герой Силы, который... to this:

Axe — герой Силы, который... If the problem is due to something in the templates then fixing it there would be better, but otherwise it would be possible to have a bot add this fix to all the /ru pages. --Pigbuster 21:31, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmm. --Kroocsiogsi 22:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Shoot. I thought I had it figured out when I found that adding an HTML comment would cause whitespace even with Template:Hero infobox:

Axe — герой Силы, который...
 * Alas, removing an HTML comment from the beginning of Template:Hero infobox wrapper did not help. I'm not sure what causes it. A bot it is, I guess. Good catch. Do you think we can let the Russians suffer for two days? I kind of want to hold off to see if any other issues crop up. --Kroocsiogsi 23:09, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Re IRC quesiton

 * Might be worth looking out and seeing if the /xy lang sub-page redirects to the English page. It could just be a simple error of having both an english and in-progress translation of a page open at the same time, and then the translator not realising which tab he's on when he starts working on translating.  Further consider that some folks translating might not be very familiar with MediaWiki and thus may not interpret any "obvious" indicators the same way we do.  So I'd say it's not a difficult mistake to make; it's witnessed every now and again on the TF2 Wiki too. - RJ  21:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand why editors don't always catch the mistake, but I'm confused why a few editors seem to make the mistake quite often. Tab confusion is possible, but I don't think that adequately explains all of it. I was thinking more along the lines of the malfunctioning redirects, or maybe there was an "edit" link in the interface that wasn't localized, or something like that. I haven't found anything suspicious, though. --Kroocsiogsi 22:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Nyx
Here's that image that was floating around: http://i.imgur.com/pPSa9.png - Nickoladze 11:40, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Kroocsiogsi 16:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hero Stats
Hi, nothing personal but I prefer the old implementation of the hero stats page over the query. You can leave everything redirecting to that new query page and I'll just use the version I created for myself. Mind reverting it? --Decency 17:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No offense taken. The main reason for preferring the query version is that it always contains correct and up-to-date information for all released heroes. I thought Baloroth had applied his "new" style to the that table already, but I guess he only did it for the derived tables found at Strength etc. I have gone ahead and changed the table style to more closely match the original. If you still prefer the original static table, that's fine; I have copied it in your user page. I know that you preferred average/spread damage over min/max, and I agree with you, but I don't think the advantage merits the additional complication of adding it to the table. That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. If you have other suggestions, please implement them or let me know. --Kroocsiogsi 19:39, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Equipment listing
Take a look at User:Nickoladze/Sandbox/Equipment. Looks like SMW doesn't like doing queries nested 3 levels, since the items inside sets don't show. It also seems to be pretty slow, so I'd assume it's resource intensive. - Nickoladze 05:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank u for ban this troll)
Thank for ban The Wilson Medok10 05:15, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Undying/Disruptor Response Pages
What do we need to do to get those done? User:Viperys has been making the pages by hand and is wasting his time. - Nickoladze 16:36, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I give instructions on my user page. Terin was trying to make my Perl scripts work last night, but was having trouble, despite being competent. I wasn't able to help. I use strawberryperl (not sure what version) if that's any help. --Kroocsiogsi 16:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Stranges
Hello! My name is Rotomthe3rd, and I've decided to help around the wiki. I mainly want to work on the Strange page and Treasure Chest page. Basicly anything having to do with Stranges. So I had an idea of a huge overhaul of Stranges, Strange Parts, and the items that can be Strange, but I want you to see if this sounds OK. (I chose you as you had a pretty green name in the recent changes haha) So my thought was to do something similar to how the Team Fortress 2 Wiki does their Stranges. (See "Rank" Section). It is basically a box with the ranks for the different counters. We could do something similar for each different counters. (One tab for Kills, One tab for Victories, etc.) My other idea was a Strange Section on each Strange item. Once again, similar to Team Fortress 2's. (See Strange Variant Information). We could do a section for each Strange with it's Strange Part capability and maybe it's ranks if need be. Hope you think this ideas are good, and I hope to hear back from you soon! Rotomthe3rd 16:30, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to have you on board, and contacting the guy with the funny looking name was a good plan. Unfortunately, I keep a healthy distance from the cosmetic items pages. Nickoladze knows more about the Chests, and I think DarkAssassin does a lot of work with cosmetic items. Maybe they would have an opinion. I'll drop notes on their talk pages. --Kroocsiogsi 22:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm on board with doing anything to make the chest page better. I threw it together like the TF2 wiki but it's still lacking a bit. Feel free to edit it up. - Nickoladze 23:29, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea of a current. I could make a current tell as shall iron it, we don't want to be similar TF2 wiki. Make will outline in Paint and I will try it to make.--DarkAssassin 06:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

As said in IRC
 whoever made hero quotes have a play button, good idea

 oh kroo of course

<3 -- Nickoladze 04:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No, Smashman actually. I just finished the job. Definitely a good idea. --Kroocsiogsi 05:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Store pages need SMW work
I am enlisting your expertise to help SMW-ize the store pages and templates (Example: Template:Dota 2 Store nav). We also should get some bot scripts/behaviors fleshed out for adding items en masse (either a contribution to WindBOT or a separate bot that gets run afterwards). -- Nickoladze 21:30, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Get in IRC pleez, need halps -- Nickoladze 01:22, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Might be a few minutes. --Kroocsiogsi 01:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Liquipedia
Hey, now it's been like 6 hours or something since you said you mailed I assume something got screwed up. Either want to [mailto:liquipedia@teamliquid.net send it again] or try some other avenue? --Salle 23:36, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Agh, sorry. Life is interfering. It's not time-critical. In a nut, we have potential for a lot of duplication of effort. A lot. We both appear to be aiming for comprehensive wikis of Dota 2 built on MediaWiki. Clearly you've taken several design cues from us, just as we have taken them from the TF Wiki and PlayDota (and indeed, in the competitive scene articles, from BW/SC2 Liquipedia). My instinct, and that of some other editors here, is that maybe you guys are better suited to handling the competitive scene, and we are better suited to handling game mechanics. If this distinction were made explicitly it might result in higher quality wikis for both of us, but we'd have to figure out tighter integration that a simple link-back on a sidebar. Other things of note are that we are both CC-BY-SA, so theoretically either of us could copy wholesale from the other. That would make it possible, for instance, if you wanted to, to copy most of our pages completely. However, that might result in drama unless it were blessed by both sides. One thing that I wonder about is if you even hope to cover the same aspects we do. Perhaps you just want a framework for heroes more similar to the Heropedia than to PlayDota. What level of subjective opinion do you plan to accept? Do you plan to cover store items? In what way do you want to distinguish yourselves from what we already do here? Do you just want to do the same thing, but under the aegis of TL.net? The Dota 2 community has already expressed optimism that we might find a way to coexist or move forward together; it seems logical. I'm sorry, I'm rambling more than Clint Eastwood at the GOP convention. I wish I had more time to structure this, but it's a bad week for me. Anything RJackson says about Dota 2 Wiki or Redefining History says about the competitive scene is probably correct. The only reason for the email was that there's a minor piece of dirty laundry that I don't want to be misinterpreted; it can wait. --Kroocsiogsi 07:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. We will be concentrating initially on getting the pro-scene coverage to the same level as we have on our StarCraft 2 wiki, then we'll keep on pushing all avenues of improvement, including hero guides, strategy guides etc, (as well as having better pro-scene coverage). I guess how we view is it that subjectivity is unavoidable when talking strategy, but group consensus of experts is close enough to objectivity for what we want to accomplish. The thing we aim for is having sources backing any contested statement up, and having groups of people rather than single individuals going over/making strategy guides. How advanced our guides will go is limited by what our users wish to submit. We won't artificially hinder it if/when contributors start to take guides from the TeamLiquid strategy forum (for example) and adapt it to the wiki.
 * Unless all the information on your page is incorrect you're using CC-BY-NC-SA, which is incompatible with CC-BY-SA, which we use. So unless either Teamliquid or Curse decides to change the licensing policy, or they grant each other full use rights, I don't think mirroring is an alternative. As a side note to that we're currently rejecting any edit that we find that is a copy paste of your wiki, due to the license differences. --Salle 15:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you're correct. It is CC-BY-NC-SA. --Kroocsiogsi 20:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)